Gérard Deltell

Mr. Speaker, Procedure · 12 wordsI am very pleased to participate in this debate on Bill S‑217.Procedure Claims · 120 wordsI am very pleased to see that the Bloc Québécois and the governing party are in agreement on this bill. Of course, we are the ones introducing it through the member for Simcoe North. This is not the first time that Bill S-217, an act to amend the Canada Revenue Agency Act with regard to reporting on unpaid income tax, has been before this House.¹ Essentially, the purpose of this bill is to put more pressure on the CRA to track down the scoundrels who do not pay their taxes, especially those known as “white-collar criminals”, in other words, individuals or companies who refuse to pay taxes or who use loopholes and cook the books to avoid paying their taxes. Reasoning · 15 wordsWe need to get to the bottom of things, and this bill does just that. Claims · 45 wordsSome may be surprised that this is the third time this bill has been introduced and debated in the House, even though it is a no-brainer. As my Bloc Québécois colleague said earlier, the first time was under a majority government; the Liberals rejected it.² Reasoning · 29 wordsThat is part of public debate. There was then a sequence of three elections with minority governments.³ That meant there was not enough time to do the work properly. Positioning · 7 wordsAs a parliamentarian, I find that unfortunate, PositioningClaims · 46 wordsbut let us remember that, from December 2024 to mid-December 2024 and then to mid-September 2025, over a nine-month period, the House sat for only five weeks.⁴ This was because of the change in government, the new Prime Minister’s government, the elections and the summer recess. Reasoning · 10 wordsAll of this prevented us from doing our parliamentary work. Claims · 5 wordsNow, we are doing it, Promise · 8 wordsand we are going to do it right.Vague promise Aside · 28 wordsI will put on my glasses. I am going to do so often, because this whole subject is so technical that we need to get our facts straight.Aside Claims · 180 wordsThis bill has three objectives: to compile a list of all convictions for tax evasion, including international tax evasion; to require the CRA to include statistics on the tax gap in its annual reports every three years; and to require the minister to provide the Parliamentary Budget Officer with data on the tax gap. These three elements gripped the entire world when the Panama Papers scandal came to light. I am sure everyone remembers about ten years ago, when a consortium of investigative journalists unearthed what came to be known as the “Panama Papers”.Unearned certainty They had unravelled a web of tax havens. The documents confirmed that several countries, including Canada, were indeed home to the scoundrels I mentioned earlier, whether companies or individuals. In total, 900 of them had flouted every possible law, ⁵and then some, to evade taxes. Some countries have taken the bull by the horns and achieved concrete results. In Australia, $44 million was recovered, compared with $87 million in Germany, $175 million in Spain and $25 million in Iceland.⁶ Canada, for its part, has recovered nothing.⁷ Positioning · 4 wordsThat is pretty weak.Positioning Reasoning · 65 wordsThat is precisely why this bill must be passed. The CRA and anyone who cares about ensuring that everyone pays their fair share must be treated fairly. Being treated fairly means having to pay, and if a company does not pay, it should be seen as a bad guy who does not pay taxes. That is why it is important to do the right thing. Procedure · 25 wordsIt is also important to note that there are key points in each of the three stages. For example, earlier we talked about the shortfall.Procedure Aside · 25 wordsI will not deny that certain phrases sometimes sound better in French than in English. One thing, however, can be expressed equally in both languages.Aside Claims · 20 wordsI was talking earlier about the minority government, which has since become a majority government because of the floor crossers.Off point Aside · 25 wordsThe term “floor crossers” is funny, is it not? I think “floor crossers” sounds just as good in French, for that it what they are.Aside Claims · 20 wordsGetting back to the shortfall, some countries have handled that well, namely the United States, Great Britain, Turkey and Sweden. Reasoning · 32 wordsIt is time for Canada to do the right thing so that everyone who is supposed to pay can do so properly. That is why it is essential that this bill pass. Thanks · 46 wordsAllow me to recognize the perseverance of Senator Percy Downe who, for years, did the necessary work to push for this critical cause. It is thanks to him that we can debate it today. I also want to thank my colleague from Simcoe North for this.Thanks Claims · 26 wordsI want to note that my colleague served, in a different era, in better times for Canada, in Prime Minister Harper’s government, in various ministers’ offices, Off pointThanks · 9 wordsand he distinguished himself in a most inspiring way.Thanks Positioning · 48 wordsI would like to think that, in a few years, three years at most, Canadians will honour us with their trust and the member for Simcoe North would do a great service to the Canadian government in cabinet. I am saying that he would make a good minister.PositioningOff point Procedure · 9 wordsLet us get back to the matter at hand.Procedure Claims · 57 wordsYes, the Canada Revenue Agency absolutely must do its job. It is clear that these are not great times for the CRA. Just a few months ago, the Auditor General tabled a scathing report about poor management at the CRA.¹¹ The report notes that there was a complete lack of leadership, with terrible results for all Canadians. Procedure · 5 wordsWhy would I say that?Procedure Claims · 25 wordsOne reason is that people were waiting for ages when they called for information. Worse still, when information was provided, it was not always correct. Procedure · 2 wordsJust imagine: ProcedureClaims · 158 wordsPeople who cannot afford to pay a tax expert or an accountant to prepare their tax return for them pick up the phone, call CRA, talk to someone and get the wrong information one in five times.⁸ A few months later, CRA writes to let them know they made a mistake and owe $150, which they have to pay back right away because interest charges will keep adding up. That is what happened after 10 years of Liberal leadership at the Canada Revenue Agency.⁹ I would like to reiterate what the member for Simcoe North said to my government colleague earlier. He said that CRA employees should not be blamed for not being properly trained. Nor should the CRA itself be blamed for being badly mismanaged in recent years. Let us not forget that Prime Minister Trudeau put someone in charge for seven years who did not necessarily have sufficient experience in this field to provide strong leadership.¹⁰ Thanks · 39 wordsI would like to commend and thank the current Prime Minister for firing this person from cabinet. I would also like to commend and thank the people of the Gaspé region for firing her from the House of Commons.Thanks Claims · 41 wordsObviously, we would have preferred to see our candidate, Jean‑Pierre Pigeon, elected in that riding. The people decided otherwise. That said, I have absolutely nothing against the current member from the Gaspé region, a former fellow journalist who truly stands out, Positioning · 9 wordsand that is a good thing for Canadian democracy.PositioningOff point Reasoning · 35 wordsThis bill needs to move forward. We need to move forward to keep Canada in the loop when it comes to targeting and tracking down white collar criminals who do not pay their full taxes. Claims · 41 wordsWe need to flush out these characters who, unfortunately, do not have the honour and dignity of paying what they owe and who invest tens of thousands, if not millions, of dollars to avoid paying what they owe the Canadian government. Reasoning · 19 wordsCanada needs this legislation to flush out criminals, be more transparent and get access to all the necessary information. The ask · 17 wordsThat is why we obviously hope that the entire House will vote in favour of this bill.