Sébastien Lemire

Madam Speaker, Claims · 29 wordswith this bill, this government is once again trying to expedite projects by circumventing many laws passed by the House of Commons. I think that is the wrong approach. Procedure · 8 wordsFirst, let us be clear on the principle: ProcedureClaims · 25 wordsAll of my colleagues who are here would like projects to move forward more quickly. We all agree with the one project, one assessment principle, Reasoning · 53 wordsbut that assessment must be done right. It must respect the will of the provinces and Quebec, particularly when it comes to the environment. We must also not forget the principle of social licence. That is what makes the difference between a successful project and one that will face a lot of opposition. Anecdote · 31 wordsI come from a mining region. For over 100 years, we have seen mining in Abitibi—Témiscamingue change and evolve.¹ At one time, the environmental laws were not what they are today.Anecdote Claims · 31 wordsThat is why there are over 90 abandoned mines in my region.² In Quebec, there are over 335 abandoned mines, ³and it will cost over $1.35 billion to clean them up.⁴ Reasoning · 41 wordsThat is just one example among many that shows the importance of complying with strict environmental laws. If we do not, then we will just be creating new problems that will cost even more money a few years down the road. Claims · 18 wordsThe first nations are saying that we need to plan projects with the next seven generations in mind. Reasoning · 21 wordsWe will have to deal with the environmental impacts eventually, even if we do not want to think about them today. Claims · 64 wordsAnother example of a project that went ahead too quickly is the Malartic mine. This project, which now has some degree of social licence after more than 20 years of existence, did not get off to a very good start in the early 2000s.⁵ This mine, the largest open-pit mine in Canada, displaced homes before the mining company even had a permit to operate.⁶⁷ Positioning · 11 wordsWhat would have happened if the operating permit had been refused?Positioning Claims · 31 wordsThis is exactly the kind of issue that could arise today as a result of Bill C-39, because the government can approve a project before its environmental assessment has been completed. Reasoning · 16 wordsIt is for that very reason that we must hold consultations and comply with the law. Claims · 21 wordsPeople are counting on us to do a job: to protect our environment, our living environments and our quality of life. Procedure · 6 wordsBasically, the key question is this: ProcedureThe question · 5 wordsWhat is the national interest? Claims · 151 wordsIf I ask the government that question, I will get an answer that focuses on economic development and the development of energy projects, mainly involving oil and gas. If I ask my Conservative opposition colleagues the same question, I will likely get the same answer. Meanwhile, an environmentalist party could decide that the fight against climate change is in the national interest and use Bill C-39 to force the closure of a pipeline for the sake of national interest. In short, the national interest is a variable and, from what the Prime Minister is proposing here, it seems to boil down to oil, gas and nuclear interests, which are at the heart of his policy and his personal economic interests related to Brookfield.Motive imputed The government is forgetting that our planet is in bad shape and that what it is proposing here is just going to lead us further down that path. Reasoning · 3 wordsThat is dangerous. Claims · 226 wordsThis government is using the tariff crisis with the United States as an excuse to push projects through more quickly at the discretion of the Privy Council, and that creates a major problem for democracy. The Liberals pride themselves on being the defenders of the charter. They oppose Quebec’s laws because Quebec is using the notwithstanding clause to sidestep certain legal challenges. However, these same Liberals are now in the process of voting for a notwithstanding clause for all laws passed by the House of Commons. In fact, with Bill C‑39, the government will have the power to override, circumvent or suspend the laws passed right here. What the Liberals are doing is exactly what they are speaking out against and challenging at the Supreme Court. That is without taking into account the fact that this government is creating two different systems. One system for those who are chosen by the government, which will override various laws because these people have the right connections—a buddy is a buddy, as they say—and a system for everyone else, who will have to comply with all the laws. Depending on its mining regime, a mine in Abitibi-Témiscamingue will end up with a regime that could damage its social acceptability among the public and turn even more people against it, if it is recognized to be in the national interests. Reasoning · 33 wordsOn the other hand, it is important to complete the proper steps, engage in consultations and ensure that public concerns are addressed, despite the paperwork involved. That, however, is what should be encouraged. Claims · 60 wordsReturning to Malartic, the Université du Québec en Abitibi-Témiscamingue has worked with the mining industry and the public to improve the coexistence guide.⁸ Thanks to that experience and work done by researchers, best practices in consulting and in working with communities were developed in Abitibi-Témiscamingue and are now proving their worth. Mine development is much more orderly and socially acceptable. Procedure · 7 wordsI would like to point out that, ProcedureReasoning · 40 wordsif laws unsuited to modern realities are the problem, a much more acceptable solution exists: improve the laws. All parliamentarians are going to work on changing and improving these laws.Vague promise Circumventing them is not the way to move things forward. Claims · 18 wordsHowever, personally, as the transportation, infrastructure and communities critic, I would say that there are some positive aspects. Procedure · 6 wordsSometimes we have to be constructive.Procedure Claims · 142 wordsDigital trade modernization is one example, since some documents are still required on paper. Canada drew on a model law on electronic transferrable records in drafting Bill C‑39. This will facilitate international trade while bringing us into the 21st century. Today, I met with the St. Lawrence Shipowners.⁹ They emphasized that Quebec is at the forefront of marine transportation development. The industry requires significant investment, which should be seen as a catalyst for development. Quebec has a strategy to develop its marine industry, ¹⁰and a sense of coherence and a vision have emerged around the St. Lawrence River as a result.Partly on point The marine aspects raised in the bill are interesting. We must acknowledge that there is a certain vision. However, unlike Quebec, Canada is still taking a piecemeal approach. This is yet another example of how Canada could draw inspiration from Quebec. The ask · 53 wordsIt is possible for the federal government to provide better funding for Quebec’s strategy and to add funds to ensure that not only the major ports, but also our medium-sized ports and regional ports can develop, renovate their infrastructure and continue to meet the needs of the various stakeholders working on the river. Claims · 119 wordsAs we know, many of them are at the end of their service life. However, amending the Coasting Trade Act is a problem with this bill. It is thanks to this act that Quebec has high-quality local marine transportation. We need only look at Australia, where local transportation is virtually non-existent because of the lack of a coasting trade act.¹¹ Instead of ensuring that Transport Canada addresses its urgent needs with shipowners, it is recommending that foreign-flagged vessels be given access to the river. Furthermore, the notion of an emergency situation, a matter of utmost importance, like the concept of national interest, is left undefined, potentially opening the door to interpretations that favour foreign ships over our domestic carriers. The ask · 19 wordsLet us have the courage to support our local marine industry, instead of opening the door to foreign players. Positioning · 16 wordsIs that not precisely why the Liberals keep telling us we need to support local businesses?Positioning Claims · 226 wordsI would be remiss if I did not talk about another key issue in this bill, specifically the attack on workers. The balance of power is under direct attack because Bill C‑39 allows employers to sit back and do nothing while waiting for the government to act, or rather for the Canada Industrial Relations Board, which is not accountable to the House of Commons for its decisions, to act. This could be called a denial of democracy, not to mention that the new criteria relating to the national interest, such as severe social disruption, are designed to encourage a return to work. A strike is a social disruption. It is workers making their voices heard. They are people just like us who are simply asking for better pay and better working conditions. In the last labour dispute in which the government intervened, the employer wasted time negotiating at every opportunity while waiting for the government to force workers back to work, all without special legislation. Once again, this is a roundabout way for the government to bypass parliamentarians. This bill is an attack on workers. We see the government giving itself an override provision to avoid labour disputes and to circumvent, override, or suspend laws. There is a lot of talk about the U.S. President signing executive orders, but this administration is following the same path. Positioning · 17 wordsTo get around a law, all it will take is a big black Sharpie and a signature.Positioning Claims · 82 wordsThat, in my view, is what Bill C-39 is all about. That is what this government is proposing: to use underhanded tactics to push through more oil and gas projects, more nuclear projects, including a nuclear waste site located less than one kilometre from the Ottawa River, 200 kilometres from here.¹² All of this is to maintain the way our resources are exploited. In fact, Canada currently chooses to sell its natural resources to the highest bidder without maximizing the significant returns. Procedure · 2 wordsWe are—Procedure