Kyle Seeback

Madam Speaker, Procedure · 11 wordsI am very happy to speak to this private member’s bill, ProcedureThanks · 7 wordswhich I believe is exceptionally well intentioned.Thanks Positioning · 18 wordsThis is a private member’s bill that has been designed due to the malfeasance of the Liberal government.Positioning Procedure · 15 wordsWhen I say “malfeasance of the Liberal government,” one might be wondering what I mean.Procedure Claims · 61 wordsWhat I mean is that up until the last two years, there was nobody in this country who said that we should get rid of section 107. There was not a single union saying that. There were no national unions saying that. In fact, section 107 was used the way it was supposed to be used for decades in this country. Positioning · 15 wordsIt has been the Liberals’ weaponization of section 107 that has led us here today.Positioning Procedure · 20 wordsLet me explain what I mean by weaponization. We should take a look at section 107 in and of itself.Procedure Claims · 186 wordsThe section is quite valuable. It says, “where the Minister deems it expedient, may do such things as to the Minister seem likely to maintain or secure industrial peace” and “the Minister may refer any question to the Board or direct the Board to do such things as the Minister deems necessary.”¹ The purpose of section 107 was to refer things to the Canada Industrial Relations Board, and the board would then do things to maintain industrial peace. That is how it functioned, until these Liberals, by accident, discovered a secret power within section 107. When I say they discovered this accidentally, I mean they literally discovered it accidentally. Minister Seamus O’Regan, during the WestJet mechanics strike, referred a matter to the CIRB.² He asked the CIRB to impose binding arbitration.³ Fine, that is what the CIRB went on to do, but it also then said that it did not mean the right to strike was taken away, ⁴because that was not specifically requested in the referral. The WestJet strike went on and, guess what? The parties reached a settlement.⁵ They reached a collective agreement themselves, Reasoning · 51 wordswhich is how it should work. Conservatives firmly believe the best deals are made at the bargaining table. That bargaining can be hard. Sometimes there is pain as a result of that bargaining and the disruption, but the parties come to an agreement themselves, and that is how it should work. Claims · 166 wordsWhat the Liberals discovered in their mistake with the referral of the WestJet mechanics strike is that all they needed to do in their next referral was add in “and the parties are not allowed to strike or be locked out.” They stumbled into this new power, and once they had this new power, they became absolutely addicted to it. They then used it seven times over the next year and a bit to take away the right to strike for Canadian workers.⁶ They routinely and repeatedly used it and specifically told the Canada Industrial Relations Board that as part of the referral for binding arbitration, it must also order the parties to cease a strike and a lockout, thereby depriving unionized workers of their constitutionally protected right to strike. These section 107 referrals are now before the courts, ⁷and the courts will be determining the constitutionality of those referrals. I can understand why the NDP has said we need to get rid of section 107, Reasoning · 23 wordsbecause these Liberals have created such a toxic environment in labour relations in this country because of their repeated use of section 107. Positioning · 36 wordsIt is like they are hammers and everything, therefore, is a nail. It is the only thing they can do. If there is any labour dispute, get out section 107 and smash it to the end.Positioning Claims · 12 wordsThat is what the Liberals been doing for the past 18 months. Positioning · 4 wordsIt was so terrible, PositioningClaims · 76 wordsas my colleague pointed out, that the CEO of Air Canada was relying on the use of section 107, ⁸which is why they had no fallback position when the flight attendants chose not to follow the CIRB order saying to end the strike.⁹ Amazingly, through that defiance, they came to a collective agreement, just like when the strike went on with WestJet and the WestJet mechanics. The parties were able to find an agreement for themselves. Positioning · 28 wordsWhat is the problem here? Is the problem that section 107 allows the government to refer certain things to the Canada Industrial Relations Board? Is that the problem?Positioning Claims · 38 wordsNo, it is not the problem, because, for decades, that power existed. For decades, it was used properly. For decades, it was used appropriately. The challenge has now come because the Liberals weaponized the use of section 107. Reasoning · 37 wordsIf they had used it once, we would not be having this conversation. This private member’s bill would not be on the Order Paper today. If they had used it twice, it probably would not be either, Claims · 9 wordsbut the Liberals became obsessed with using section 107. Positioning · 9 wordsWhy did they have to routinely use section 107?Positioning Reasoning · 39 wordsIt is because they have allowed the environment in this country between employers and unionized workers to become so toxic that it was the only way they could end disputes, rather than allowing the collective bargaining process to continue. Claims · 30 wordsThey used it to stop the work stoppage with CN and CP Rail.¹⁰ They used it with Canada Post. They used it with Air Canada. They used it with WestJet. Positioning · 12 wordsIt is like they had nothing else they thought they could do.Positioning Claims · 41 wordsIn the process, they have created outrage among Canadian unions, outrage at the use of section 107. There is so much outrage that the Liberals have decided they are going to do some sham study into the use of section 107.¹¹ Positioning · 8 wordsWe know what they do with their investigations.Positioning Claims · 10 wordsThey commenced an investigation into unpaid work for flight attendants.¹² Positioning · 15 wordsWhat investigation is necessary? They should go and have a conversation with a flight attendant.Positioning Claims · 26 wordsThe Liberals know that flight attendants are doing unpaid work, but they conducted a study to look into whether or not flight attendants do unpaid work. Positioning · 4 wordsIt is unbelievable, actually.Positioning Aside · 23 wordsThey might as well do a study as to whether or not people get wet when they are standing outside when it rains.Aside Claims · 5 wordsUnpaid work was being done.Off point Procedure · 17 wordsBut wait, it gets worse. One would think it could not get worse, but it actually does.Procedure Claims · 17 wordsThe first part of their study came back and said that they need to do more study.¹³ Positioning · 4 wordsIt is literally unbelievable.PositioningOff point Claims · 41 wordsAfter a decade of these Liberals, the state of labour relations in this country has never been worse. We have seen the most work disruptions in the last couple of years, more than we have seen in the last 30 years.¹⁴ Positioning · 9 wordsIn part, it is because of how they behave.Positioning Reasoning · 47 wordsIn part, it is the weaponization of section 107. In part, it is because of sham investigations into things like unpaid labour.Off point While I agree with the member’s intent in getting rid of section 107, we do not need to throw the baby out with the bathwater, Procedure · 6 wordsif I can use that expression.Procedure Positioning · 19 wordsWhat we actually need to do is throw out the people who are poisoning labour relations in this country.Positioning Thanks · 20 wordsI want to congratulate the member for putting forward this piece of legislation. I think it is exceptionally well intentioned.Thanks Reasoning · 35 wordsUnfortunately, I do not believe that section 107 is the problem. There are lots of ways to use section 107 that are not weaponized and that will not destroy the labour relations in this country. Positioning · 17 wordsThe only way to do that is to get rid of the people who are doing it.Positioning Procedure · 8 wordsUnfortunately, we cannot support this piece of legislation.¹⁵Procedure