Dave Epp

Madam Speaker, Greeting · 14 wordsit is always an honour to bring the voices of Chatham-Kent—Leamington to this chamber.Greeting Procedure · 18 wordsTonight, I am speaking to Bill C-39. It is certainly not a small piece of legislation before us.Procedure Claims · 35 wordsBill C-39, the building Canada strong act, is a substantial omnibus bill covering major project approvals, transportation, trade and labour. At roughly 250 pages, it is legislation that deserves a great deal of careful review. Madam Speaker, Aside · 52 wordsI know I can speak with a piece of paper in my hand, but if I hold the bill, is it considered a prop? The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Alexandra Mendès): No. Dave Epp: It is not. It is fairly weighty and substantive, so I wanted to clarify that before I carry on.Aside Claims · 47 wordsSome 15 months ago, the government brought forward Bill C-5, the Building Canada Act.¹ It was an omnibus bill that established a framework intended to accelerate major projects and reduce duplication in federal reviews.² The government said Canada needed to build “at speeds not seen in generations”.³ Positioning · 4 wordsDoes that sound familiar?Positioning Claims · 92 wordsNow, just over a year later, the government is back before the House with another major omnibus bill, once again promising greater speed, certainty and investment. The government says Bill C-39 would establish a one-year federal decision timeline, ⁴and this is important, once proponents have submitted a comprehensive application. It is not one year from entering into the system to a decision, but supposedly one year once all of the requirements have been submitted. That timeline does not include the additional pauses included at ministerial discretion, which are peppered throughout the legislation. Procedure · 11 wordsThe question Parliament should be asking is a very simple one.Procedure The question · 24 wordsWhat has actually changed since Bill C-5 and what evidence do we have that Bill C-39 would deliver the results that Canadians can see? Claims · 10 wordsThere has been progress from Bill C-5 to Bill C-39. Aside · 8 wordsI would not have said that last week.Aside Claims · 109 wordsOnly one project now has been approved of the 500 that sat on the Prime Minister’s desk.⁵ That is 0.2%, or one-fifth of 1% of the projects, and that is in two years. However, the Liberals have succeeded in increasing one thing by 33%, and that is the title. They have added the word “strong”. The bill now reads, “the Building Canada Strong Act.” It is 33% longer than “building Canada strong”. The government describes this legislation as a major effort to accelerate projects, strengthen transportation corridors, modernize labour relations and create greater certainty for investment. The government says Bill C-39 would create a one project, one decision approach. Reasoning · 35 wordsThose are important objectives, and Canadians want Canada to build. We need infrastructure, investment and reliable transportation networks, and we need to develop our natural resources and get Canadian products to Canadian and international markets, Claims · 90 wordsbut Canadians have heard these promises about faster approvals before. That is why the appropriate question is not simply whether Canada says this bill would accelerate projects. The question is whether the legislation would remove the barriers that have prevented projects from moving forward in the first place. Nowhere, as I referenced in the previous question, do I see where Bill C-69 and Bill C-48 are being repealed. If the government believes its approach will make Canada more competitive, Parliament should be able to examine the evidence behind that claim. The ask · 69 wordsCanadians should know which delays are being eliminated, how they are being proposed and what the expected economic benefits are. If a policy makes life cheaper, Canadians deserve to know how. If it makes life more expensive, Canadians deserve to know why. Therefore, I would ask the government if it has conducted an independent assessment of the economic impact of Bill C-39 on Canadian families, workers, farmers and businesses. The question · 36 wordsWhat would this legislation mean for the cost of getting goods to market? What would it mean for investment? What would it mean for jobs? What would it mean for the cost of energy and transportation? Claims · 17 wordsThese are reasonable questions for a government that is asking Canadians to trust another major omnibus bill. Procedure · 10 wordsAgriculture provides an excellent example of why these questions matter.Procedure Claims · 35 wordsBill C-39 proposes to continue extended rail interswitching for four years in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba.⁶ Extended interswitching allows a shipper to access a competing railway over longer regulated distances than the ordinary 30 kilometres.⁷ Reasoning · 64 wordsFor western agriculture, rail transportation is part of the economic infrastructure that determines whether Canadian grain and other commodities reach domestic and international markets efficiently. Farmers need certainty. They make decisions months and years in advance. They purchase land and equipment, choose what to plant, enter contracts and make investments based on the expectation that they will have reliable access to transportation and markets. The question · 62 wordsWhy should we have another pilot? If extended interswitching is intended to improve competition and help Canadian goods move to market, Parliament should understand the government’s evidence for limiting it geographically, first of all, and also for making it another four-year measure, rather than making it permanent. Why is the measure temporary, and why is it limited to the three prairie provinces? Reasoning · 36 wordsAgriculture needs certainty with longevity, and four years may or may not provide the certainty that the agri-food industry requires. That is precisely the kind of question that should be answered before Parliament passes this legislation. Procedure · 14 wordsThis issue brings us to a larger concern about how the government approaches consultation.Procedure Claims · 114 wordsWe have seen significant concern from farmers and rural communities regarding the Alto high-speed rail project. On September 19, farmers and others from numerous political stripes gathered in Rigaud to protest the project and raise concerns about its impact on agricultural land and rural communities.⁸ On Friday, I attended the Transport Futures summit in Toronto, where speaker after speaker raised concerns about the lack of a business case for the Alto high-speed project. We talked about that again at the ag committee today. The government claims that it has consulted the public for this project, yet these farmers and municipalities in rural Canada in the proposed path are out there fighting to stop Alto. Positioning · 10 wordsThis does not sound like a government that is listening.Positioning Reasoning · 22 wordsThe point is that consultation has to mean more than government officials meeting with people and proceeding exactly how they originally planned.Partly on point Procedure · 4 wordsI have another example.Procedure Reasoning · 24 wordsWe have already seen what happens when Canadians and the agricultural industry come forward, provide evidence and ask the government to reconsider its decisions. Claims · 95 wordsThe ag committee studied the planned closures of seven federal research stations and experimental farms.⁹ It heard from 27 witnesses and received 15 written briefs.¹⁰ The committee ultimately unanimously, all of us, recommended that the government reconsider the closures and conduct proper site-specific cost-benefit analyses before proceeding.¹¹Partly on point The economic case for agricultural research is significant. Witnesses told the committee that agricultural research drives productivity, innovation and long-term economic growth. It is the foundation of a sector worth $150 billion in 2024 that supports 2.3 million jobs and is exporting more than $100 billion in products.¹²Off point Procedure · 4 wordsHere is the question: ProcedureThe question · 31 wordsIf the government is serious about building a stronger Canadian economy, why would it close research capacity in a sector that contributes so significantly to our economy and our food security?Partly on point Procedure · 6 wordsThis brings us back to consultation.Procedure Claims · 30 wordsThe National Farmers Union and the Agricultural Union have now publicly criticized the government’s response, saying that the committee’s unanimous recommendations to reconsider the closures have not been acted upon.¹³ Positioning · 24 wordsTo industry leaders, it is as though the concerns of Canadian agriculture fell on deaf ears to a government that never intended to listen.PositioningPartly on point Procedure · 12 wordsThat raises a very serious, reasonable question about Bill C-39 as well: ProcedureThe question · 25 wordsWhen the government says it has consulted Canadians and stakeholders, what happens when the consultation provides recommendations that the government does not want to hear? Reasoning · 22 wordsThat matters for Bill C-39 because the government is asking Parliament to consider major changes in several areas at the same time. Procedure · 9 wordsThis brings me to part 3 of the legislation.Procedure Reasoning · 111 wordsPart 3 proposes to change the Canada Labour Code involving collective bargaining, geographic certification, first collective agreements and the government’s role in certain labour disputes.¹⁴ The substantial labour changes proposed in this bill deserve detailed examination. Canadians should not have to choose among infrastructure, public policy, transportation policy and labour policy as though they were a single question. They are three different issues that would affect Canadians in different ways. They require different witnesses, different expertise and different evidence. If the government is confident that every part of the bill is good public policy, then there should be no reason to fear giving each part the time and scrutiny it deserves. Positioning · 14 wordsCanadians do not need another headline promising that everything is about to get better.Positioning Reasoning · 71 wordsThey need evidence that government policy is actually improving their economic circumstances. Canadians need a government that listens when farmers speak and takes parliamentary considerations seriously.Partly on point They need a government that can explain the costs and benefits of its legislation. They need Parliament to have enough time to examine legislation before it becomes law. Canadians deserve evidence and a Parliament of accountability. Canadians deserve a government whose actions match its promises.Partly on point Aside · 20 wordsIf not, we will be back here in another year debating another new act: the building Canada very strong act.Aside