Adjournment Proceedings

In an adjournment debate, Warren Steinley (Conservative) followed up on a question about grocery prices and the rise in shoplifting of food, asking whether prices had gone up or down over the last three years and saying people are struggling to afford food. Ryan Turnbull (Liberal) replied that groceries are still expensive but that the government’s programs — child care, dental care, school food, and tax measures — save families money, and said the member had voted against them. Steinley said the reply did not answer the question and argued that many parents in Saskatchewan cannot get subsidized child care spots and that those who do still pay extra fees. Turnbull responded that provinces, including Saskatchewan, should be held to the child care agreements they signed, saying federal money is expanding spaces and that child care in his riding had cut costs substantially for families with a spot.Written by AI from the debate. Updated .

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Warren Steinley, Regina—Lewvan

Conservative
“I want an honest answer about high grocery prices. People are struggling to afford food, and the minister did not answer my question about it before. Have prices gone up or down over the last three years?”
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Madam Speaker, it is a pleasure to join in adjournment debates this evening. I asked a question in May, before we adjourned for the summer, about microlooting and said the most popular talk show in Regina and across Saskatchewan, The Evan Bray Show, talked about whether it is okay to steal groceries or microloot at grocery stores because grocery prices are so high. I asked the minister that question. The answer I got back was not sufficient, in my opinion. She actually talked about day care when I was talking about the price of groceries. I think it is an important conversation because we are talking about the price of groceries and basically the affordability crisis that we are seeing right now across the country. I think the hon. member for Whitby is going to answer this question, so I am going to make it short and sweet. I know he has a family. I have three kids, and my wife and I go grocery shopping. Have the member and his wife seen grocery prices go down over the last three years or go up?

Ryan Turnbull, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance and National Revenue and to the Secretary of State (Canada Revenue Agency and Financial Institutions)

Liberal
“Our programs for child care, dental care, school food, and lower taxes save an average family about $30,000 a year. Groceries are still expensive, but these savings help families afford food. The member opposite voted against this help, so he should not lecture us about grocery prices.”
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Madam Speaker, the hon. member for Regina—Lewvan and I have had lots of spirited debates in this House before, and I appreciate his question. I do have a family. I have three daughters and a wife. I am very proud of them and very happy to support them. I do a lot of the grocery shopping in my family and, in fact, a lot of the cooking, which I enjoy very much. The member opposite should be able to recognize the way household budgets work. People might save money on child care, save money on dental care, get a Canada child benefit cheque, get the groceries and essentials benefit or benefit from the income tax cut given to 22 million Canadians. There are a number of other programs, measures and benefits that our government has put in place. By my estimate, for the average family of four in my riding of Whitby, and I am sure it is the same in the member opposite’s riding, there is approximately $30,000 a year of savings to the household budget. That is over a course of a year, so divide that by 12 months. It is a significant amount. My family is a good example, but I think for many families across my riding, there are significant savings. That does not directly address the cost of groceries, which I acknowledge are a challenge for families, but with those costs decreasing, families on fixed incomes are able to afford the essentials and the things they need. Let us be honest. The groceries and essentials benefit is specifically designed to increase the GST rebate in order to address the very issue the member opposite is pointing to. The national school food program is another example of how we are saving families money. It is essentially for children from lower-income families. In fact, it has universal access, and so any family whose kid is going to school and may not have the nutritional support they need from their household is able to access school lunches or breakfast programs all across the country. That is 400,000 more kids who are able to eat at school and get the sustenance they need to learn, grow and develop. The member opposite voted against many of these measures. I am not sure how he can stand up and lecture us about the price of groceries when in fact he voted against the very supports we put in place as a government that affect household budgets. Remember, we cut tax on income, housing and fuel. We cut tax on new business investment, making Canada the most tax-competitive advanced economy in the entire world, by the way. That is the productivity mega deduction. It is very hard for me to stand here and listen to the member opposite’s question. I get that he wants to ask his question, but I think he should acknowledge the facts. With household budgets, when people can save money in one or two other places, it better enables them to afford the monthly costs of groceries and essentials.

Warren Steinley, Regina—Lewvan

Conservative

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“The member did not answer my question about grocery prices. He talked about child care instead. Most parents in Saskatchewan cannot get a subsidized spot. The ones who do still pay extra fees because the government money is not enough to cover the real costs.”
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Madam Speaker, I thank the member for Whitby, but he did not answer the question, because he does not want to tell the actual truth about what is going on with grocery prices. He is kind of channelling his inner Jean Chrétien: A proof is a proof. The member talked about child care. Well, if a person is lucky enough to hit the lottery and get a government-subsidized child care spot, they are saving that money, but for everyone across Saskatchewan, it is actually called a child care wasteland because there are so few spots. In Saskatchewan, 30% to 40% of the people are waiting for that subsidized child care spot. They are not saving the money this guy is talking about. It is actually ridiculous. Also, I have friends who have kids in child care now, and because the money does not actually cover the cost to hire people and to feed the kids, they are charging parents another $100 or $200 to help cover the cost. Parents are paying more out of their pocket because the money the government has given for the day care spots does not cover the cost it is supposed to, for those children to get the care they want, so I—

Ryan Turnbull, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance and National Revenue and to the Secretary of State (Canada Revenue Agency and Financial Institutions)

Liberal
“The member should hold the Saskatchewan government to the child care deal it signed with us. We sent a lot of federal money to every province and territory to create more child care spaces. Our child care plan works. It helps parents go back to work, which puts more women in the workforce than ever before. In my riding, it has cut costs from $1,800 to $410 a month for families with a spot.”
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Madam Speaker, the hon. member for Regina—Lewvan should hold his provincial government accountable to the agreements that it signed with the federal government. We transferred significant amounts of federal taxpayer dollars to every province and territory in the country in order to expand the number of child care spots. We are committed to child care because we know it works. It is a great policy. It increases productivity in the economy. It increases the rate at which parents return to work. It increases the productivity and labour market participation of women in particular, which is a great advancement for our country. The highest participation rate of women in our history is the result of that specific program. For an average family in my riding, do members know how much it costs for child care? It is $1,800. That price has come down to $410 per month for anyone who can get a child care spot. There are a significant number of people saving $1,400 a month. That is a mortgage payment for many—

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