Business of Supply

The debate was on a Conservative opposition motion about the economy, which said Canada has the worst economic performance in the G7, including a recession, high household debt, high housing costs and high unemployment, and called on the Prime Minister to present a plan to undo his government’s economic policies. Conservatives said Canadians are struggling to afford food and housing, that businesses face taxes and regulations that discourage investment, and that the Liberal government mishandled an economy they inherited in good shape in 2015. Liberals said the country is not in a recession, citing falling rents, rising household wealth, growing exports and trade agreements, Canada’s credit rating, and cost-of-living supports. Bloc Québécois members said the recession debate misses the point, pointing instead to falling exports, weak productivity and low investment, damage to trade relations with the United States, and difficulties in Quebec’s forestry sector; they also objected to the government limiting debate time. Some discussion touched on trade history, research facilities, and exchanges about members’ speeches and the Prime Minister’s absence.Written by AI from the debate. Updated .

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Kelly McCauley, Edmonton West

Conservative
“The government's rules and taxes make businesses not want to invest in Canada. The government needs to fix our tax system and cut business regulations instead of just making announcements.”
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Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned earlier, the Canadian Chamber of Commerce, in a submission to the finance committee, laid it out. They stated that the current environment imposed on businesses by this government makes investment unwelcome. Canada needs to change. We need tax reform, and we need regulatory reform. As the Chamber of Commerce has stated, we need to fix our regulatory regime. We need tax reform. We need the government to stop standing here and pretending that all these announcements are serving Canadians. It actually needs to take action.

Dean Allison, Niagara West

Conservative
“Business investment has dropped for five quarters in a row. How will we grow the economy if we do not invest in our businesses?”
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Mr. Speaker, I am going to ask the same question. At the end of the day, if we are not investing back in our businesses, how are we going to grow the economy? After five quarters of negative growth in business investment, how exactly are we going to grow our economy?

Kelly McCauley, Edmonton West

Conservative
“The Canadian economy is shrinking. Mexico also relies on trade with the U.S., but its economy is growing. The difference is that Mexico does not have a Liberal government holding it back.”
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Mr. Speaker, the member makes a great point. The Canadian economy is shrinking. Mexico has a far greater reliance on U.S. trade than Canada does, and its economy is not shrinking. In fact, its auto industry exports to the U.S. are double what they are in Canada, yet somehow Mexico is managing to grow its economy with the same issues we have. What it does not have holding it back is a Liberal government.

Karim Bardeesy, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry

Liberal
“I am voting against this motion. The government already has a strong economic plan that is working. We are investing in clean electricity, critical minerals, electric cars, science, child care, and housing.”
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Mr. Speaker, I am happy to be sharing my time with the member for Kingston and the Islands. I will be opposing the motion. We have a comprehensive plan. I am seeing in my travels across the country and in my riding that the plan is starting to deliver results. If we take an honest look at the full set of strategies the government has announced, the measures as early as June, with the income tax cut and the delivery of the Major Projects Office, forward to the budget in the fall, with major measures to prime our economy, through to the spring economic update and the strategies we have announced during and since then, we see a plan that is starting to work and to have impacts on the ground. I want to refer to a couple of these strategies because they provide important context when the official opposition is calling for a plan. The plans have been presented and are starting to land, I think, quite positively with Canadians. I will give the example of the national electricity strategy, which we announced just recently, with an intent to double our capacity by 2050. We know that electricity is a key competitive advantage for Canada and that we have abundant and relatively clean electricity. This is an area where Canadian ingenuity, workers and opportunities coast to coast are available to develop the kinds of technologies that help lower costs and emissions, and help to prime and benefit industries at home, but also lead in some cases to an exportable technology. I know there are a lot of innovators in Taiaiako’n—Parkdale—High Park who are working on businesses and innovations that are delivering, whether that is a more efficient grid, solutions that are putting power back into the grid or, indeed, solutions that are using previous internal combustion engine-based or fossil fuel technologies and converting them into cleaner technologies. The national electricity strategy is a very prominent example of one of the plans that exist in our broader plan to deliver economic well-being to Canadians. I would also refer to the critical minerals strategy, which is, again, a key competitive advantage for Canada. We need to have the processing capacity and to identify the specific minerals that are available to us. The Minister of Energy and Natural Resources and other ministers have taken a leadership role in creating buyers’ clubs by bringing companies, countries and investment funds together to identify real opportunities and then using the Major Projects Office to deliver opportunities to get those projects under way more quickly. A critical minerals strategy is key to our economic plan. I would also refer to our auto strategy, which I, as the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry, have some considerable involvement with, as it is the Minister of Industry’s strategy. She is working very hard to protect access to the American marketplace and to protect the investments that exist in Canada but also to attract not only new investments around electrification and electric vehicles but also related investments in software and electric vehicle charging infrastructure. I am very proud to see that some of these sectors, which previously were confined to southern Ontario, are now spreading across the country. I had the pleasure of going to the electric vehicle and charging expo recently in Toronto. It was such a pleasure to see companies from coast to coast to coast delivering innovations, including electricity charging for vehicles at apartment buildings in Vancouver, all-in software solutions out of Quebec and even the first green hydrogen heavy truck vehicle, developed by Elemental Trucks out of Rexdale. There are so many innovations coming out of Canada, from Canadians, out of this opportunity and this excitement around the kind of economy we are building. We are seeing it in the numbers. My colleagues the parliamentary secretary to the Minister of Finance and the chief government whip have already referred to some of these statistics and some real benefits that are coming from these strategies. I will also refer to an area that I spend a bit more time on, the research and science portfolio, where we are seeing people coming by the hundreds from around the world, some of the most talented scientists, who are attracted by our impact+ research chairs program and our impact+ scholars program, to say that Canada is the place to do science. We just recently announced 658 doctoral and post-doctoral researchers. The best and brightest in the world are choosing Canada in part because, first, this is the place to do science and research, a place that is not going to be corrupted by politics, and second, there is economic opportunity and the hope that comes from the ability to do this work and deliver these innovations in Canada, for Canada and for Canadians. I see the benefits of our economic strategy starting to take root in places like the University of Calgary, where I recently had the chance to visit a Genome Canada‑funded project. This is one of the great stories, and I am seeing so many of these stories coast to coast now, where we have eastern and western Canada coming together to deliver the kinds of innovations that are going to grow our economy. The specific project I saw was a project to make underground energy storage safer by using tiny underground microbes. This is a set of University of Calgary researchers collaborating with a Newfoundland and Labrador start-up, Triple Point resources. Again, there is confidence. This is a Canadian start-up out of Newfoundland and Labrador, which is investing its precious capital in innovation toward a carbon-reducing solution, collaborating with scientists out of the University of Calgary. This is the kind of national economic spirit that we are seeing more and more of, that this Prime Minister, with this government, is delivering. We know that this has been the year for space in Canada. I was recently in Longueuil, Quebec, at the Canadian Space Agency headquarters, as part of the Horizons conference co-developed by the Canadian Space Agency and Space Canada, a government agency and an industry association working very closely together to ensure that the future space economy is one that Canada can depend on and benefit from. It is in this year of science, when we have not one but three Canadian Space Agency astronauts intimately involved in some of the key missions that have captured the globe’s attention: Jeremy Hansen, Jenni Gibbons and, soon to go to the International Space Station, Joshua Kutryk. The Canadian inspiration around that has resulted in more interest and more investment. I meet a number of young people now who are starting rocket clubs, who are excited about participating in this sector and who often can get support through our research funds to then develop that kind of science and innovation. This is part of our economic strategy as well. I see this locally as well, with companies like TransPod, out of my riding, which is developing a high-speed transportation solution between Calgary and Edmonton. Again, this is a Canadian company in eastern Canada working collaboratively with those in western Canada. I see it with a company like Beachman industries, again, in my riding of Taiaiako’n—Parkdale—High Park, which is one of the first companies in decades to get certified by Transport Canada for motorcycle manufacturing. It is Canada’s only electric motorcycle manufacturer. The co-founders have big ambitions to take this innovative technology and to grow it into the transportation space, delivering transportation solutions. They are Canadian innovators in auto manufacturing, and in this case, it is happening right in the heart of downtown Toronto. What I also appreciate about our economic strategy, though, and I do not hear much about it from the other side, is that the economy is not just the GDP. It is the GDP per capita, so I do want to compliment my colleague the parliamentary secretary, but it is about much more than any one statistic. It is about the kind of community we create that makes it possible to have economic activity. It is about the kind of community we create that gives people the confidence, the support and the resources to participate productively in the economy, like national child care and the PSW tax credit. I had the pleasure of speaking at the SEIU excellence awards, the first-ever awards event that the Service Employees International Union put on for its health care workers, Local 1. I saw those PSWs, mostly women, mostly educated in other countries, say that, yes, because of the work done together and because of the government recognition of that work, there is going to be a tax credit that is going to recognize their specific efforts during the pandemic and beyond. That is going to put aroun $1,100 in those workers’, mostly women’s, pockets. Members can bet that is going to help the economy in those households because those families, those women, are going to be spending that money out in the economy. I even see it in places like the many business improvement areas that we are blessed to have in Taiaiako’n—Parkdale—High Park, which is the home of the original business improvement area, in Bloor West Village. We are hearing from them that, yes, public safety is really important, and there is some appreciation for the new provisions around bail legislation, and that public safety and the public realm as well as supporting people at different levels of the economic scale and different income levels are key to having a strong economy. In Taiaiako’n—Parkdale—High Park, we are very appreciative of the opportunity to see that. Finally, in my riding, I see it in the housing we are building, whether it is social housing, supportive housing or some of the co-operative or private sector housing that I will be happy to talk about in future months in the riding. The kinds of housing opportunities we are creating in the riding create an opportunity to participate economically in a much more productive way. It is a kind of investment in housing that, unfortunately, I hear regularly criticized by the other side. We have an economic plan that is starting to land with Canadians, and I look forward to questions on it from my colleagues.

Warren Steinley, Regina—Lewvan

Conservative
“The Liberals cut funding for farming research and weather radar research in Saskatchewan. Because of this, two research farms are closing and it will be harder to warn people about bad storms. How can the government brag about research funding when they made these cuts?”
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Mr. Speaker, my colleague across the way talked a lot about investment in research, so I am going to ask a straightforward question. When it comes to investment in research in Saskatchewan, we are losing two research farms in the agriculture industry because the Liberals have cut the funding for agriculture research. Also, at Environment Canada, they have cut funding for radar research, which is going to hamper our ability to give warnings when heavy snow, rainfall and blizzards happen. If he is going to brag about the research funding the Liberals have done, what about the people they are leaving behind in Saskatchewan with the agricultural research cuts and the radar research cut at Environment Canada?

Karim Bardeesy, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry

Liberal
“I visited the research facilities and labs at the University of Saskatchewan earlier this year. They do world-class work, attract scientists from everywhere, and work well with colleges like SAIT.”
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Mr. Speaker, I had the chance to visit Saskatoon in January or February of this year, and I had the pleasure to visit the facilities and the labs that are being funded at the University of Saskatchewan, in particular the VIDO vaccine facility, a world-leading facility, as well as the cyclotron facility. They are world-leading major research facilities that are, again, attracting scientists from around the world, as well as SAIT. SAIT and the University of Saskatchewan have a really strong collaboration that brings research together, at both the college and university levels.

Alexis Deschênes, Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj

Bloc Québécois
“High American trade fees are hurting our forestry businesses and their exports. We suggested the government give these businesses cash by buying the rights to that money back. Why did the government reject our idea?”
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Mr. Speaker, looking at how the Canadian economy has been performing, it is clear that the real problem is exports. We know that the forestry industry is being hit hard by 45% countervailing duties, which of course limits its ability to export competitively to the American market. We in the Bloc Québécois proposed that the government buy back the countervailing duties, the money owed to our businesses, in order to give them a bit of liquidity. Why did the government not take up our suggestion?

Karim Bardeesy, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry

Liberal
“I understand the problems in the forestry industry, especially with American tariffs. Our government has supported this industry with funding, and I am happy to keep working with the member on it.”
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Mr. Speaker, I am somewhat familiar with the challenges my colleague is talking about. I am from Bathurst, New Brunswick, which is right across Chaleur Bay. I am therefore very familiar with the challenges and issues facing the forestry industry. We have been hit hard by U.S. tariffs for decades. We are working very hard. We are in close contact. As for my colleague’s suggestions, I know that, on our side, we have supported the industry through the strategic fund and other support measures, but we are always happy to continue the conversation with him.

Leah Gazan, Winnipeg Centre

NDP
“An international tribunal found that Canada's policies against Indigenous peoples amount to genocide, including taking their lands and resources without consent. I want to know if the government will start respecting Indigenous rights and following its constitutional duties.”
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Mr. Speaker, the Permanent Peoples’ Tribunal concluded that Canada’s ongoing policies amount to genocide, pointing specifically to the government’s seized value of indigenous lands, territories and resources. The tribunal noted that part of the issue is related to the failure of the government to obtain the free, prior and informed consent of indigenous peoples. Will the government begin to uphold its constitutional obligations and uphold section 35(3) rights? Will it take this finding very seriously and respect the right to self-determination of indigenous peoples, or is it going to continue building a pipeline to the court?

Karim Bardeesy, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry

Liberal
“Our government believes in Indigenous rights and working with Indigenous peoples on the economy. Recent deals show this, and I want to keep working on it with others.”
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Mr. Speaker, UNDRIP and indigenous rights, as well as doing economic development with indigenous peoples, I think, are foundational principles of this government. We have seen it reflected through some of the recent deals that have been announced. I hope to continue to work on it from this side, along with colleagues who are interested.

Guillaume Deschênes-Thériault, Madawaska—Restigouche

Liberal
“To build a strong economy, we must help businesses innovate. I want the parliamentary secretary to explain how we are improving the tax program that helps businesses do research and develop new ideas.”
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Mr. Speaker, building a strong economy means helping our businesses innovate. One of the tools we have is scientific research and experimental development tax incentives. I would like the parliamentary secretary to comment on the work we are doing to improve and enhance this tax incentive program, which is very important to many businesses in our regions.

Karim Bardeesy, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry

Liberal
“We increased money for research at community colleges in the spring economic update. We also spent record amounts on defence and international research in our recent budgets.”
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Mr. Speaker, my colleague champions that kind of research. In the spring economic update, we increased funding for research at community colleges, building on a very solid foundation thanks to historic investments in the 2024 and 2025 budgets for research on defence and international intellectual capital.

Mark Gerretsen, Kingston and the Islands

Liberal
“I got tired of hearing the Conservatives repeat the same things about this motion. So, I took a picture of it and asked AI what it thought.”
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Mr. Speaker, I have been sitting in the House today for the better part of the debate listening to members. Earlier today, I was here for the opening speech by the critic, the member for Calgary East, when he was introducing the motion. I do not know if I just got bored of listening to the same rhetoric by the Conservatives, but I started staring down at the motion as it was written on my piece of paper and wondered what AI would think of this motion. I literally took a picture of it and asked AI, “What do you think of this motion?” This is literally the response—

Mark Gerretsen, Kingston and the Islands

Liberal
“The Conservative motion misleads people about Canada's economy. The Conservative leader is celebrating bad economic news just to score political points instead of offering real solutions.”
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Mr. Speaker, this is literally what the response was that I got from AI about the motion. Word for word, it said, “This motion is built for maximum rhetorical punch, not factual or analytical strength. The motion collapses complex economic indicators into a simplistic, worse-than-the-G7 narrative, cherry-picks metrics without context and demands an impossible remedy that has no coherent policy meaning.” I hear my friend from Saskatchewan across the way criticizing AI. I would remind him to tread lightly in this area, given the fact that I am pretty certain at least 70% to 80% of the questions asked during question period by the Conservatives are generated by AI, before he goes down that path of trying to be critical of it. I can understand why he does not like listening to what was generated as a response, but it is the reality of the situation. The real irony is not that AI spit out the obvious and what everybody already knows. What it really comes down to is that this is exactly what Canadians are feeling right now in watching the Leader of the Opposition’s response to what has happened. Let us just take ourselves back to Friday morning when Statistics Canada released information that we were in a technical recession by a declining growth of, listen to this, negative 0.03%. We are talking about a really small percentage. The Leader of the Opposition jumped on this news like it was the biggest gift he has ever received. He was so gleeful about it. He gathered whoever he could from his caucus who remained here on a Friday; they usually disappear halfway through question period on a Thursday. He dragged them out in front of this building, lined them up behind himself at 9:30 a.m. and gave a press conference with a gigantic smile on his face. He was so excited by this news. Imagine being a member of this House, one of the 343 members, let alone the Leader of the Opposition, and taking such joy in knowing that Canadians are suffering? That is exactly what we saw from him. That is not even where it ended, because it got even worse than that. Rightly so, a reporter from The Hill Times asked the Leader of the Opposition, on the topic of the economy, “Might you be going a little too far with this by suggesting that this is a massive, colossal economic situation?” The Leader of the Opposition, the member for Battle River—Crowfoot, started laughing at the reporter and said, “Of course you are making excuses for the Prime Minister. What outlet are you from?” The reporter said The Hill Times, and the Conservative leader said, “Oh, yeah, The Hill Times.” What I find so utterly amazing is that Conservatives, much less the Leader of the Opposition, are unable to recognize that their strategy may have been really effective in 2024, but with everything going on in the world right now, with the way that the U.S. is positioning itself against us right now and is treating us like an economic enemy at times, and with the sense of incredible pride that Canadians have in wanting to stick together and fight this together, the Conservatives still think that it is a winning strategy to talk down Canadians, to talk down the Prime Minister and to talk down the position we are in. I can wonder all day long about why the Conservatives think this is an effective strategy, why they are doing this and why they have not realized that their 2024 tactics are just falling on deaf ears right now. People do not even have to listen to me. They do not even have to consider the fact that I am bringing this to their attention. They can just look at the fact that it is reflected in the polling. It is reflected in the decision in the last election. Canadians do not want the Conservatives. They do not want that rhetoric. They do not want that style of approach. They do not want a Leader of the Opposition who is going to laugh at reporters, challenge what outlet they are with and then dismiss them. Canadians do not want that. I really wish that my colleagues across the way, who keep heckling me right now, would take a moment to reflect on the fact that maybe there is a little bit of truth to what I am saying. Maybe the Canadian people would like to see humility and would like to see a Leader of the Opposition who actually takes the time to reflect on the world that people live in and does not jump at an opportunity to celebrate it, so that he can say “I told him so” to the Prime Minister on what amounts to a statistical error. An hon. member: Oh, oh! Hon. Mark Gerretsen: Mr. Speaker, it is negative 0.03% of growth. I am sorry. It is catastrophic. Look at them. They are doing it right now. They absolutely refuse. They want to make this the biggest, boldest and absolutely worst thing that could possibly happen. That is the narrative they are going with. I am actually not surprised, because they are just parroting what their leader did on Friday. He went outside this building, and he took the opportunity to celebrate the position that Canada was in. Conservatives can keep doing this. They can do it all day long, but I am telling them right now that this is not selling to the Canadian public. The Canadian public is not buying this. By the way, the Conservatives did this before. What situation did they set up for themselves? Their approach, always, is not asking what they are going to do to improve the lives of Canadians. Their approach is to make the other guy look bad, attack the other guy and beat him or her into submission so that they look like the champions. Guess what? They tried that in 2024. To a certain degree, they were kind of effective at it, but it did not materialize into their forming government, did it? It did not. They just ended up coming right back. It certainly did not result in Conservatives forming government. The key thing they are missing is that, rather than just attack, attack, attack, they have to provide solutions. They have to provide alternatives. I have said this so many times in the House. I am actually trying to give them political advice right now. People back in my war room are probably asking why I will not shut up, because I am telling them what to do, but it is true. I am just trying to help them because I feel like they really, genuinely need it. The reality is that Conservatives are going to keep doing this over and over and over. It is not going to produce anything for them because the reality of the situation is that Canadians are looking for parliamentarians, especially in the world that we live in right now, to work together, to collaborate together, to come up with ideas together and certainly not to celebrate potential downfalls, which is what the Leader of the Opposition and his caucus are doing.

Warren Steinley, Regina—Lewvan

Conservative
“The chief government whip did not talk about regular Canadians. He did not mention that 2.2 million people use food banks, or how people are struggling under the government's policies. He only talked about himself, the Liberals, and our leader. The prime minister will not even answer questions about the recession he caused.”
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Mr. Speaker, do members know what was amazing about the chief government whip’s speech? He did not mention Canadians once. He did not talk about the 2.2 million people at a food bank. He did not talk about the food bank survey, which just came out, that gave them an F in food security, an F in employment and a D +in legislation. He did not talk about the things that real Canadians are talking about, which we bring to the floor of the House of Commons each and every day, talking about how Canadians are struggling under their policies. He made it about himself. He made it about the Liberals. He even talked about our leader answering questions from the media. It is amazing that he brought that up because his leader is in the witness protection program; he will not talk about the recession he created.

Mark Gerretsen, Kingston and the Islands

Liberal
“I was not just talking about myself. I spent my speech giving advice to the opposition and talking about the problems Canadians face. I was criticizing their leader for acting like he celebrates those struggles.”
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Mr. Speaker, I know I am not supposed to address the presence or absence of members in the House, but that member listened to and sat here for my entire speech. After walking away from that, the only thing he could say was that I only talked about myself. I literally gave them political advice for eight straight minutes, talking about what they could do better. I am literally trying to help that member. He says that I am talking about myself. Of course I was talking about the struggles that Canadians are going through. What I was criticizing was the way that the Leader of the Opposition appears to be celebrating it.

Xavier Barsalou-Duval, Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères

Bloc Québécois
“Members of Parliament should do their own thinking instead of using artificial intelligence. Liberal MPs are using foreign AI programs to study bills and motions. I want to know how many of them are doing this.”
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Mr. Speaker, in this and previous speeches, the member opposite boasted about using AI to analyze the Conservatives’ motion, so I have a lot of questions. I was under the impression that people elected members of Parliament so they could do their own thinking about topics of debate in the House. Lately, elected Liberal MPs have been using algorithms from foreign platforms to analyze bills and opposition motions, and so has a government spokesperson. I would like to know just how common this has become on the other side of the House.

Mark Gerretsen, Kingston and the Islands

Liberal
“I do not read from a script when I speak here. Other members read questions that someone else wrote for them.”
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Mr. Speaker, that is a nice try. I am probably one of the very few members of the House who does not read from or use a script or anything when I am speaking in the House. I literally spoke to the Speaker the whole time and read four sentences from something on my phone. We are about to go into question period, and every single question we hear, including from the Bloc, at least 70% or 80% of the time, will be a written-out question. I would love to know who writes out those questions for the Bloc or for the Conservatives. As far as it goes for me, I stand here, I speak my mind, and I speak it without notes or assistance.

Louis Villeneuve, Brome—Missisquoi

Liberal
“Canada has one of the strongest economies in the world because millions of Canadians work hard, invest, and start businesses every day. It makes no sense that the Conservatives call our country a complete failure.”
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Mr. Speaker, does my colleague not find it surprising that the Conservatives describe Canada as a complete failure when millions of Canadians are working, investing, creating businesses and contributing every day to one of the strongest economies in the world?

Mark Gerretsen, Kingston and the Islands

Liberal
“The world is unpredictable right now. We are working to build a stronger economy that trades with many different countries instead of relying on just one. I trust the Prime Minister to do this, and I do not think the Conservative leader can.”
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Mr. Speaker, it is absolutely correct. The reality is that we live in a world right now that we could not have predicted two years ago. We are responding to the uncertainties in that world and laying the framework and the groundwork to have a stronger economy that is not reliant on one particular trading partner but that can be diverse throughout the world. I have full confidence in the Prime Minister’s ability to do that. I think it is glaringly obvious to Canadians that the alternative in the Leader of the Opposition just does not measure up.

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