Adjournment Proceedings

An adjournment debate on employment insurance premiums and payroll taxes. Garnett Genuis of the Conservatives argued payroll taxes make hiring more expensive, especially for young workers, and asked the government to commit not to raise them to pay for its budget. Maggie Chi of the Liberals offered condolences for four Canadian Armed Forces members who died at CFB Wainwright, then said the government is managing spending responsibly, cutting operating costs and consulting, with the operating budget to be balanced in 2027-28 and Canada holding the lowest net debt-to-GDP ratio in the G7. Genuis objected that the reply came from a different minister and did not address payroll taxes; Chi repeated the government’s fiscal plan and noted Genuis had left the room.Written by AI from the debate. Updated .

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Garnett Genuis, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan

Conservative
“Payroll taxes hurt jobs because they make it more expensive to hire people, especially the young. Raising employment insurance costs will make this worse. I want the government to promise it will not raise payroll taxes.”
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Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure for me to address the House on the subject of the unemployment crisis, and in particular to speak about the implications of EI premiums for employment. It is my view and the view of our party in general that payroll taxes are among the worst kinds of taxes. This is because payroll taxes create a greater cost and a disincentive around employment. While all kinds of taxes can have negative effects in terms of economic activity, payroll taxes are among the worst because they are not based on the profits that a company is earning or based on the overall income of an individual. They are targeted at employment specifically. When we have payroll taxes, the cost falls most heavily on those who are employing others. Let us imagine that we have two businesses of equal size and equal profit, but one is employing twice as many people as the other. The company that is employing more people will be on the hook for more payroll taxes. One of the key action items we are hearing from small businesses that will help them be part of the solution to youth unemployment is simply to reduce the cost of hiring. There was a great report done recently by the Canadian Federation of Independent Business. It looked at how we can address youth unemployment and looked at some of the disconnect that has existed between employers and young people. The report highlighted that many small businesses say that a lot of the programs that are designed to promote, through programmatic or subsidy means, the hiring of youth can be complicated and difficult to use. They would like to see simple measures aimed at reducing the costs of hiring young people. One way the government can act to reduce the costs of hiring young people and reduce the costs of hiring in general is to address the relatively high payroll taxes that businesses and individuals have to pay on top of employment. In that context, therefore, Conservatives have been calling on the government to commit to not increasing EI premiums. Unfortunately, what we saw in the last budget, which goes to the question that I am following up on, were proposals for changes to EI that were associated with increases to premiums going forward. We pointed out and will continue to point out that increasing EI premiums creates the conditions in which it becomes even harder to employ young people and people of all ages. We will continue to highlight the negative impacts of payroll tax increases and encourage the government not to pursue policies that increase payroll taxes. I am here tonight to ask the parliamentary secretary again if the government is prepared to commit to not increasing payroll taxes and to addressing the implications of payroll taxes for unemployment.

Maggie Chi, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health

Liberal

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“First, I send my condolences to the families of the four soldiers who died at CFB Wainwright. Our government is managing public money responsibly while investing in the economy. Canada has the lowest net debt-to-GDP ratio in the G7. We are cutting back on government operating costs, shrinking the public service, and using less outside consulting. Because of these savings, our operating budget will be balanced a year early, in 2027-28, and our economy is growing.”
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Mr. Speaker, before I begin, I want to extend my deepest condolences to the families and loved ones of the four Canadian Armed Forces members who lost their lives at CFB Wainwright, and I wish a speedy recovery to the injured soldiers. We mourn with them, and Canadians across the country stand with them. In an increasingly fragmented and uncertain world, our government is focused on what we can control, which is maintaining fiscal sustainability while making targeted high-impact investments in Canadians and the economy. Responsible leadership means investing in a brighter future while protecting Canada’s fiscal strength, the lowest net debt-to-GDP ratio in the G7, a sound fiscal position and a clear path to long-term sustainability. By investing strategically and responsibly today, we are positioning Canadians to benefit from a stronger tomorrow. At the same time, our fiscally disciplined approach is helping to lower everyday costs for Canadians. Budget 2025 marked a tactical shift in the government’s management of public finances. Our plan is focused on expanding federal capital spending to mobilize investment while maintaining fiscal discipline. Our plan is built upon a bedrock of fiscal responsibility to create the capacity to invest in long-term economic strength and gain self-reliance. Consistent with this approach, decisions in the spring economic update 2026 were also guided by the government’s two fiscal anchors: balancing operating spending with revenues by 2028-29 and maintaining a declining deficit-to-GDP ratio. Our plan is working. As recently announced by the Prime Minister, the government is on track to balance the operating budget one year ahead of schedule in 2027-28. We are committed to the disciplined implementation of the efficiency measures in budget 2025. This includes the comprehensive expenditure review, which together with other measures identified in budget 2025, will achieve $60 billion in savings and revenues over five years. The comprehensive expenditure review is also returning the size of the public service to a more sustainable level through early retirement incentives, workforce adjustment and attrition. With implementation well under way, the focus is now turning toward targeted ongoing horizontal reviews, beginning with efforts to rein in spending on external management and other consulting services. These challenging but necessary actions will continue to support our objective of spending less to invest more in Canadians. In budget 2025, we also outlined our new approach to budgets through the capital budgeting framework. This framework has distinguished day-to-day operational spending from long-term investment that strengthens our economy. Importantly, the framework is designed to enhance existing financial reporting. Our government has also changed the budgetary cycle to fall budgets, supporting better planning for provinces and territories, municipalities, builders and investors, and aligning with the construction season. Canada’s economic growth is accelerating, and we are projected to have the second fastest rate in the G7 this year and next. We have reinforced the strongest fiscal position in the G7 by cutting direct program spending growth from over 8% to less than 2% while boosting our vital social programs. We reduced Canada’s projected deficit for 2025-26 by more than $11 billion relative to budget 2025. We are deploying this fiscal uplift to improve affordability and help Canadians get ahead through targeted and responsible policy measures, particularly in the areas of fuel, food and housing affordability.

Garnett Genuis, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan

Conservative
“I want the government to actually answer my question. I asked why they are raising taxes on jobs to pay for their budget. Instead, they sent someone from health to read an unrelated statement.”
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Mr. Speaker, we are seeing tonight the government’s lack of respect for Parliament. What we are supposed to be having is Adjournment Proceedings, where the government follows up on a question that was asked in question period. My question was very specifically about payroll taxes. I asked, “Why are the Liberals paying for their costly credit card budget with further tax increases on jobs?” Instead, the government sent the parliamentary secretary for health, which is not related to finance or employment, which was the topic of the question asked, and the parliamentary secretary for health, a different file, read out a written response that had absolutely nothing to do with the question. The question was not a request for a generic statement of the government’s position on the budget. It was specifically about payroll taxes and why the government was paying for its proposed measures with further planned increases to the tax on jobs. That was the question. This is what is supposed to happen in this segment of parliamentary life. Can we get an actual answer?

Maggie Chi, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health

Liberal
“Our plan is disciplined and focused. We are lowering the deficit and spending money carefully to help Canadians and grow the economy. The member who asked this question has already left the room.”
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Mr. Speaker, our plan is clear and disciplined. We are focused on what we can control, which is maintaining fiscal sustainability and making targeted high-impact investments for Canadians. That means reducing the operating deficit, upholding our fiscal anchors and ensuring every dollar supports growth, resilience and Canadians getting ahead. If the member were interested in hearing an answer, he would be in the House to hear it, but he has left the House—

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