Justice

Question period on justice focused on parole decisions rather than any specific bill. Conservative members raised two cases of people convicted of murdering children who received temporary absences or passes from prison, and asked the government to change parole laws, meet with a victim’s family, and keep such offenders behind bars. Liberal ministers offered condolences, said the parole process was under review and open to changes, noted recent criminal justice legislation passed by the government, and said in some replies that the parole provisions being criticized originated under a previous Conservative government. Conservatives disputed that point and repeated their call for the Prime Minister to meet the family and change the law.Written by AI from the debate. Updated .

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Frank Caputo, Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola

Conservative
“A convicted child killer was allowed out of jail to take cooking classes. Victims are tired of hearing that the parole board is independent. I want the Prime Minister to change the parole laws that let people like this leave prison.”
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Mr. Speaker, Shane Ertmoed took the life of Heather Aspin-Thomas, an innocent 10-year-old girl, for sexual gratification. He should never see the light of day, according to counsel for Heather’s mom. Those are not my words. Victims are tired of hearing that the parole board is independent. They want to know whether the Liberals will repeal the laws that the independent parole board enforces that allow someone such as Shane Ertmoed to leave jail to take cooking classes that Heather will never get to take. I will look directly at the Prime Minister, who appears to be talking to somebody else. Will he commit— Some hon. members: Oh, oh!

Frank Caputo, Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola

Conservative
“I want the Prime Minister to promise to cancel his parole laws so our children stay safe.”
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Mr. Speaker, I will look directly at the Prime Minister and ask this: Will he commit to repealing Liberal parole so our children can remain safe?

Ruby Sahota, Secretary of State (Combatting Crime)

Liberal
“That case is horrible, and I feel for the family. We are reviewing the law and are open to changes. But I want to remind the Conservatives that their party created this law in the first place.”
Official Hansard

Mr. Speaker, the case that the member refers to is a horrible case, and my sympathies go out to the family. As mentioned previously in the House, we are reviewing the act, and we are open to changes. However, I must remind all people viewing, and especially the Conservatives, that the act that currently exists to oversee these procedures was created by a Conservative government. The Corrections and Conditional Release Act is a Conservative act.

Frank Caputo, Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola

Conservative
“The Liberals have run the government for 11 years, but they only offer empty words to victims. I am asking for the third time: will the Prime Minister agree to meet with Heather's family, yes or no?”
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Mr. Speaker, wait until the Liberals find out who has been in charge the last 11 years. Imagine that. Right now, we do not know whether Shane Ertmoed is out figuring out the difference between a béchamel sauce and a Béarnaise sauce, while Heather’s family has to serve a psychological life sentence. The government gives empty words. I will ask this for a third time: If the Prime Minister believes in the answer his minister just gave, will he rise in the House and agree to a meeting with Heather’s family, yes or no?

Steven MacKinnon, Minister of Transport and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“Our government passed six crime laws this spring on hate, bail, and safe spaces. The member voted against every one of them. We are the party fighting crime, and he should support our laws.”
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Mr. Speaker, I can tell the member that we were in power this spring when we passed six pieces of criminal justice legislation on things such as hate, bail and safe spaces. Where was the member? Every time the roll was called, he sat in his place and opposed the law-and-order agenda of the new government in Canada. We are the anti-crime party. We are the people taking the measures. The member should get up and support them.

Rhonda Kirkland, Oshawa

Conservative
“A convicted child murderer was let out of prison on a temporary pass into the community where his victim's classmates live. Our parole system is broken. When will the government fix it and put victims and safety first?”
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Mr. Speaker, Darren Scott Ray raped, tortured and murdered a 14-year-old boy, Darren Pepin, in Scarborough. He strangled this child to death and dumped his body in the garbage room of his apartment building. He was convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison. Today, many of Darren’s young former classmates, who now call Oshawa and Durham region home, are in the very community where this killer was granted a 72-hour unescorted temporary absence. When will the government fix broken Liberal parole and finally put victims and public safety first?

Gary Anandasangaree, Minister of Public Safety

Liberal
“We are working with victims and their families to improve the parole system. All parties need to work together on this instead of playing politics, just like we did with our recent laws on victims' rights and bail.”
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Mr. Speaker, my thoughts are with Darren, his family and his community. I will just assure my colleague opposite that we are working with victims, survivor groups and those representing families in order to strengthen our parole process. This is an issue, as I have indicated in the past, that requires collaboration among all the parties. This is not to be politicized. It is important that we work together toward strengthening victims’ rights. That is exactly what we did with Bill C-16 that passed this spring. It is the same thing we did with Bill C-14 on sentencing and bail reform.

Rhonda Kirkland, Oshawa

Conservative
“The government needs to fix our parole system. People who killed children and got life sentences are still being let out of prison without guards. They should stay behind bars.”
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Mr. Speaker, that is an out-of-touch response from the minister. This is not an isolated case. This year alone, Canadians have watched multiple pedophile child killers who have received life sentences get unescorted temporary absences from prison, including two in B.C. within 10 days of each other. Darren Scott Ray received a 72-hour unescorted temporary absence in Oshawa and has been promised two more. Will the government finally act and fix broken Liberal parole—and it is broken Liberal parole because they voted against our bill that would have changed it—and ensure that pedophile child killers serving life sentences stay where they belong behind bars?

Ruby Sahota, Secretary of State (Combatting Crime)

Liberal
“We are open to changes and are reviewing this law right now. It was made by the Conservatives, and we are working to improve it. For the last 18 months, we have been updating the criminal law to keep criminals in jail.”
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Mr. Speaker, as mentioned before, we are open to reforms and are currently undergoing a review process. However, I must remind everyone that this is a Conservative act that we are undertaking a process to improve. Our government, for the last 18 months, has been reforming the Criminal Code of Canada to modernize it and to make sure that criminals stay behind bars.

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