Safe Social Media Act

Bill C-34, Safe Social Media Act · Second reading · now at committee in the House Where it stands

What Bill C-34 would do

The bill would create the Digital Safety Act and set up the Digital Safety Commission of Canada to oversee it. Operators of regulated social media and chatbot services would have to mitigate exposure to harmful content, label synthetic content, and protect children through design features and age limits. Platforms would also have to remove non-consensual intimate content and child sexual abuse material, and submit digital safety plans to the commission.

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Mario Simard, Jonquière—Hébertville—Pays-des-Bleuets

Bloc Québécois
“The government often backs down to big tech companies, like it did with digital taxes. Those companies might get the American president to put economic pressure on Canada over this bill. Does my colleague also worry the government will give in to that pressure?”
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Mr. Speaker, I am wondering whether my colleague shares my concern. As we have seen, the government has occasionally had a regrettable tendency to let the tech giants off easy. We need only think of the digital services tax or the levies, two areas where the government has backed down. We know that legislation like this is likely to displease platforms like Facebook. We also know how much influence these people can have on the U.S. President. Does my colleague fear, as I do, that the government might end up backing down if the Americans were to exert economic pressure to persuade us not to go down this route?

Mario Simard, Jonquière—Hébertville—Pays-des-Bleuets

Bloc Québécois
“Please do not let your papers touch the microphone. It hurts the interpreters' ears.”
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I would like to remind my colleague not to let her papers touch the microphone. It is bad for the interpreters’ ears.

Mario Simard, Jonquière—Hébertville—Pays-des-Bleuets

Bloc Québécois
“The government has backed down on tech taxes before so it would not upset big tech companies. Big tech companies do not like bills like this, and they have influence with the United States government. Can the member promise that the government will not back down if the United States pressures us to drop this bill?”
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Mr. Speaker, I would love to hear my colleague’s perspective. I do have one concern. In the past, I have seen the government back down on things like the digital services tax and the levies so as not to upset the tech giants, which have privileged access to President Trump. We know that legislation like this can be unpopular with big tech. Lawsuits have been brought against such measures in the United States. Is my colleague sure that the government will not back down if the U.S. government decides to exert pressure to block this kind of legislation?

Mario Simard, Jonquière—Hébertville—Pays-des-Bleuets

Bloc Québécois
“We must act to protect young people from social media harm. But this bill touches education and youth protection, which belong to the provinces. Quebec must be allowed to make its own rules to protect its youth. The federal government should only deal with federal areas and respect Quebec's power to decide for itself.”
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Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to rise to speak to Bill C‑34. We have heard a great deal of anecdotal evidence this morning, and I believe all my colleagues would agree that something along the lines of a precautionary principle is warranted. In risk management, we are often faced with uncertainty about the economic or social consequences of taking political action. However, uncertainty must not keep us from taking action. In this case, I believe we are dealing with an issue that calls for the application of the precautionary principle. Like all my colleagues, I am familiar with the many concerns surrounding digital platforms and social media, whether it be Facebook, TikTok, harmful influencer content, the spread of misogyny or the rise of toxic masculinity. I do not intend to revisit all of those issues today. I believe my colleagues have already painted a compelling picture this morning. These are challenges we are all aware of, and for those of us who have children in our lives, they are concerns we all share. As we consider this bill, I want to steer the conversation to something else, the thorny issue that the Liberal government often tries to sidestep, namely, the autonomy and the cultural distinctiveness of the Quebec nation. There is no getting around this issue in the context of this bill. However, I want to be clear from the outset: The Bloc Québécois is convinced that we need to take action urgently to hold web giants to account and protect young people from online harm. My colleagues have made that very clear in their speeches. If members look at the Constitution, they will see, as I do, that because the federal government has jurisdiction over telecommunications, it has a responsibility and a duty to implement modern regulations that are commensurate with the problem. However, it must be said this issue has many facets and some of those facets fall under areas of provincial jurisdiction. For example, Bill C-34 has an education component when it comes to what public authorities need to do to support young people in the digital world, yet that cannot fall under federal jurisdiction. In my view, that alone is enough to call on the federal government not to act alone on Bill C-34. What has the Liberal government done so far after asking public servants to draft Bill C‑34? Unfortunately, it has decided to act alone. The government actually already had guidelines for addressing this kind of problem. In particular, there was the report of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, which warned the government about the effects of influencers and social media on children and teens. The committee recommended: That the Government of Canada, in addressing the effects of influencers and social media on children and adolescents—and while recognizing the jurisdiction and primacy of the provinces in matters relating to social services and youth protection—adopt an asymmetrical and flexible approach. Had the government followed the recommendation of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, we should have seen an asymmetrical and flexible approach in Bill C-34. This raises a fairly straightforward question. Does Bill C-34 respect the jurisdiction and primacy of the provinces in matters relating to social services and youth protection? Does the bill adopt an asymmetrical and flexible approach that takes Quebec’s specific circumstances into account? We will have the opportunity to examine that in committee, but at this stage, the answer appears to be no. That raises another question. In drafting Bill C-34, did the federal government consult with Quebec and the provinces to seek their views on the issue at hand and on the best ways to address it? To my knowledge, once again, the answer appears to be no. Next, we would need to determine whether the mechanisms provided for in Bill C-34 apply a principle of asymmetry. This seems essential to me in the Canadian context, where there are 10 provinces. Actually, Quebec is not really a province, since it is a nation. Such a principle would allow a territory, for example, Quebec, to develop its own response and solutions to the problem. Upon reading Bill C-34, it appears that no such provision for asymmetry exists. However, it is clear that the democratic will of Quebec and the provinces may differ from the solutions ultimately adopted by the federal government. This possibility is all the more likely given that Quebec, again, is not a province like any other, but rather a nation with a certain degree of political autonomy and distinct cultural characteristics. As I mentioned in my introduction, the Bloc Québécois is not necessarily opposed to the solutions presented in the bill, although we do prefer educational measures and tools, a preference that, incidentally, is perfectly compatible with our other preference for decisions and policies made and adopted by the National Assembly of Quebec, which has sole jurisdiction over education. This brings up another issue that I think is fundamental. In our society, which level of government is ultimately responsible for protecting youth in Quebec, creating social conditions that are conducive to their development and ensuring that they have a better future? The answer is very clearly the Quebec government. Logically, major social debates affecting Quebec youth are discussed within Quebec’s own democratic processes and result from decisions made by the Quebec government, which are carried over into Quebec laws. These laws are passed in the only parliament with the standing to make decisions for the future of Quebec society as a whole: the Quebec National Assembly. Issues affecting Quebec youth will not be decided in this Parliament. Ottawa will not be the one to decide how we can protect Quebec youth in the context of digital platforms. Quebeckers will want to discuss, debate and agree on the best way forward. Canadians will rightly hold those discussions too, but they will be two separate discussions held by two distinct nations. In this case, Quebec’s cultural distinctiveness must be taken into consideration, as well as our desire for greater political autonomy. Quebec may want to restrict access to social media to children and teenagers, or it may find another solution that works for it. The Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage wisely recommended that the government understand and respect this reality. Unfortunately, it appears that the Liberal government has not seen the wisdom of heeding the recommendation of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage. The Bloc Québécois will fully co-operate with members of all political parties in discussing aspects of the issue that fall solely under federal jurisdiction and in studying and exploring the best ways to hold big tech to account and force tech companies to adopt more responsible practices. I must emphasize, however, that the Bloc Québécois will defend Quebec’s jurisdiction over youth and education and will assert the primacy of Quebec’s democratic conversation and its superior authority in shaping the most important societal debates. Nothing is more important than young people and their future, but any decision on the matter falls within the purview of the Quebec nation.

Mario Simard, Jonquière—Hébertville—Pays-des-Bleuets

Bloc Québécois
“This bill touches on education and Quebec culture, which are areas where Quebec has the power to make laws. The federal government has power over telecommunications, but it is stepping into areas that belong to the provinces. I want the federal government to respect Quebec's powers.”
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Mr. Speaker, one thing that has been extensively documented in Canadian political history is recurrence of predatory federalism, when the federal government chooses to make decisions in areas outside its jurisdiction. All I was trying to point out to my colleague is that, on closer examination of the bill, we see that it definitely includes aspects related to education and our cultural distinctiveness. The Quebec government is best placed to address these imperatives. I completely understand that residual powers give the federal government the ability to legislate on matters related to telecommunications, but we should not overlook the essential fact that Quebec also has the ability to legislate in its its areas of jurisdiction. We are asking the federal government to take that into consideration.

Mario Simard, Jonquière—Hébertville—Pays-des-Bleuets

Bloc Québécois
“The federal government has not tried to talk to the provinces or Quebec about this bill. It seems more interested in working with Alberta than with Quebec. It is hard to work together when one partner is silenced.”
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Mr. Speaker, unfortunately, the federal government appears to have made no attempt thus far to engage in discussions with the provinces and Quebec. That is regrettable. As we have seen recently, the federal government’s decisions suggest that it is much more interested in working with some of the other provinces than with Quebec. It wants to have a lot to do with to Alberta, but, as evidenced by its handling of the Canada-Europe summit, it wants less to do with Quebec. Time will tell if I am right or wrong, but that is my impression based on what has taken place over the past few days. After all, it takes two to tango, but if one partner is silenced, that makes things difficult.

Alexis Deschênes, Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj

Bloc Québécois
“I oppose this bill. Protecting youth and making social policy belong to Quebec, not Canada. The federal government ignored Quebec's work on social media and screens, which shows Canada does not listen to Quebec.”
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Mr. Speaker, I appreciate my colleague’s contribution to this debate. He and I are committed sovereignists. We will always feel constrained within Canada. We believe that only independence will allow Quebeckers to express themselves fully and to develop public policies that truly reflect their values and priorities. Now, we can see that, before drafting Bill C‑34, the government completely ignored the work that had already been done in Quebec, particularly by the special committee tasked with studying the impact of screens and social media on youth health and development, as well as the possible solutions already being discussed within Quebec in an area of exclusive provincial jurisdiction, namely youth protection and social policy. Does my colleague not feel a little sorry for our federalist friends today, as they try to convince us that there will always be a place and a listening ear for Quebec within Canada?

Mario Simard, Jonquière—Hébertville—Pays-des-Bleuets

Bloc Québécois
“Ottawa does not know what is best for Quebec. Quebec is hurt the most by tariffs, while Ottawa spends billions on the oil industry. I hope other members see this and join us in making Quebec an independent country.”
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Mr. Speaker, I always feel sorry for my federalist colleagues when they fall for the line that Ottawa knows best what is good for them. I also feel sorry for my colleagues who fail to see that, economically speaking, Quebec is the one most affected by the tariffs, while Ottawa continues to invest billions of dollars in the oil industry, which is not affected by the tariffs and whose revenues go directly to the United States. Still, I am optimistic because anyone can see the light someday. I am confident that members like my colleague, the member for Québec Centre, will see the light one day and build the country of Quebec with us.

Gabriel Ste-Marie, Joliette—Manawan

Bloc Québécois
“I want to know if the government consulted Quebec and the other provinces enough on this bill. Provinces have power over youth protection and social services. I am asking if this bill respects that power.”
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Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate my colleague for her speech on this important bill. When the committee considered this matter, it adopted the following recommendation That the Government of Canada, in addressing the effects of influencers and social media on children and adolescents—and while recognizing the jurisdiction and primacy of the provinces in matters relating to social services and youth protection—adopt an asymmetrical and flexible approach. Does my colleague feel that the government has adopted a sufficiently asymmetrical and flexible approach with this bill in order to recognize provincial jurisdiction and precedence in social policy and youth protection? Has it sufficiently consulted Quebec and the provinces on this matter, particularly with regard to youth protection and the various social issues?

Gabriel Ste-Marie, Joliette—Manawan

Bloc Québécois
“I want to know if this bill gives provinces enough freedom to set their own rules for social media access, just like they do for the drinking age.”
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Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate my colleague on his speech. I would like to hear his views on whether Bill C-34 is flexible enough to allow the provinces to apply their own rules, based on their own interests. I would draw a parallel with the drinking age. We know that Quebec forms a nation, but there are differences even between the provinces, as in the example I gave, where laws and age restrictions can vary from one province to the next. Could the same apply to the issue we are talking about here, namely access to social media? Does Bill C‑34 provide enough flexibility?

Alexis Deschênes, Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj

Bloc Québécois
“Quebec already studied screen time and recommended banning social media accounts for kids under 14. This bill bans them for kids under 16 instead. I want to know why the government ignored Quebec's findings.”
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Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my colleague and neighbour from Chaleur Bay for his substantive contribution to this debate. My question for him is quite specific. In Quebec, the issue of young people’s screen time has been studied extensively. A commission was set up. It held 30 meetings and spent 32 hours studying the matter, with 7,000 people responding to questionnaires and 2,500 Quebeckers providing feedback. One of the key outcomes of that work was recommendation 42, which states that social media accounts should be banned for youth under the age of 14. In Bill C-34, the ban is for youth 16 and under. Why did the Liberals not bother to read the work that had already been done in Quebec and include those findings in their bill?

Alexis Deschênes, Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj

Bloc Québécois
“We all want to protect children online, and Quebec already did a major study on this. But the federal government wrote this bill without properly consulting the provinces, including Quebec. I want to know what my colleague thinks about the government stepping into provincial jurisdiction.”
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Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague for her contribution to the debate. I want to hear her thoughts about the issue of federalism, respect for areas of jurisdiction and the co-operation that should normally exist within any self-respecting federation. In terms of protecting children, which is an objective we all share, Quebec has already created a special committee and completed a rigorous study to determine what actions can be taken, particularly with regard to banning social media for children. Still, we notice that the government drafted Bill C‑34 without considering the provinces and without thoroughly and adequately consulting the Government of Quebec. What does my colleague think about the government’s failure to respect provincial jurisdiction in drafting Bill C‑34?

Gabriel Ste-Marie, Joliette—Manawan

Bloc Québécois
“Social media companies often ignore national laws and take weeks to remove reported scam ads. If this bill passes, will these companies actually follow the rules, or will there still be problems?”
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Mr. Speaker, I congratulate my colleague on his highly informative speech. One of my concerns is that the digital platforms, social media, are multinational corporations that often seem prepared to flout the laws and regulations of the countries where they operate. The Standing Committee on Industry and Technology conducted a study on fraud. We found that the platforms are slow to act on fraudulent advertising. They claim that they are doing everything they can, but even after fraudulent advertising is reported, it takes them days, if not weeks, to remove it. Once a bill like this is passed, does my hon. colleague believe that the digital platforms will co-operate, or might we still run into a few stumbling blocks?

Gabriel Ste-Marie, Joliette—Manawan

Bloc Québécois
“I want to know if the member looked at similar online safety laws in other countries, like in Europe and Australia. If he did, what can we learn from them as we study this bill?”
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Mr. Speaker, first off, I want to offer my condolences to the family and friends of the individual mentioned by my hon. colleague. I would like to know if he looked at comparable provisions enacted in other countries, like European nations and Australia. If so, are there any aspects that we should keep in mind during our study of Bill C‑34, based on what is being done elsewhere?

Gabriel Ste-Marie, Joliette—Manawan

Bloc Québécois
“I want to know if the member thinks this online safety bill is flexible enough as it is. It needs to respect provincial powers, especially for Quebec. I also want to know if her party is open to changing the bill in committee to make it better.”
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Mr. Speaker, I want congratulate my hon. colleague on her speech. It was very substantive. Of course, I am sorry that she had to endure so much harassment on social media. That is truly unacceptable. At the end of her speech, she touched on several of the concerns that have been raised during this debate, including respect for areas of provincial jurisdiction, respect for Quebec and the provinces and, for example, flexibility regarding age. In her view, does the bill, in its current form, provide sufficient flexibility? If, as she said, amendments were proposed during the committee study, would her party be open to improving the bill in this regard?

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