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Jean-Denis Garon

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Garon presses to cancel the Alto high-speed rail project and its expropriations in Mirabel, opposes Bill C-39’s weakening of environmental review, and wants federal transfers to Quebec with no strings attached. He mocks opponents more often than he answers their arguments, as with “I wonder if he takes his cereal with oil for breakfast.” He backs his asks with figures and studies, such as cost estimates he cites to question Alto’s numbers.Written by AI from their statements. Updated .

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Safe Social Media Act

“Everyone seems to support this bill. But people have real concerns about privacy when they have to show ID to prove their age. I want to know the best way to lower that risk.”
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Mr. Speaker, I think that there is broad consensus around this bill and that it has unanimous support in the House. Nevertheless, some people have raised concerns about privacy, particularly when people are required to show ID to prove their age. I think those concerns are legitimate. We have to figure out how to strike the right balance between inconvenience and risk reduction. I would like to hear my colleague’s thoughts on this specific risk. What are the best ways to reduce it?

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Business of Supply

“I want the House to vote for this motion. It only invites the Prime Minister to speak to the finance committee, and he can say no. We need him there because the finance minister could not answer our questions or explain the tax system.”
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Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank my colleague, the member for Simcoe North, for his excellent speech. He is a member who brings a great deal of substance to parliamentary debate. I would like to discuss the form of the motion, because the motion simply calls for the Prime Minister to be invited to appear as a witness before the Standing Committee on Finance. He does not even have to accept. I think that is necessary. The Minister of Finance appeared before the committee recently. He was unable to answer questions or understand how the tax system works. He showed up with an infographic featuring coloured bubbles that looked like something a seven-year-old would draw for Halloween. Earlier, the member for Bourassa told us that, as the government, they do not move motions. They are above that. They bring down budgets. They are the ones doing the real work. We supported his private member’s bill, incidentally. He seems to have forgotten that. I get the impression that all of this shows a kind of neglect or contempt for parliamentary work. The Liberals will probably vote against the motion. What do they stand to gain by voting against the motion? We want to invite the Prime Minister to come answer questions. He can even decline the invitation. Why would they vote against that?

“The Prime Minister travels the world and signs trade deals that affect Quebec, but he leaves Quebec's premier out of the talks. He has time for parties and meetings. He should be able to find one hour in his schedule to answer questions at our committee.”
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Mr. Speaker, we have a Prime Minister who has plenty of time to have plenty of meetings in many places around the world. He is even meeting with the European Union soon, and he will try to sign trade agreements on things that are the responsibility of Quebec. They will be implemented in Quebec, yet the Premier of Quebec, who represents the Quebec government, is only invited to a cocktail party. If the Prime Minister has time for cocktails and if he has time for meetings, then why can he not find the time to come to the parliamentary committee and show some deference to the parliamentary system? I know he has ministers. I know he has people around him. Some people think he has a good team. That is an opinion, and it needs to be confirmed. Nonetheless, why is it that, in this time of crisis, in this time of great transformation, the Prime Minister is able to find 15% to cut from the public service, but is unable to find a mere 15% to cut from his daily schedule in order to free up time to appear before a parliamentary committee for just one hour and show the deference he is expected to show toward the parliamentary system?

In response to a question from Kevin Lamoureux

“I will vote to make the Prime Minister answer questions at committee. A new budget is coming and he has taken on special duties, so he needs to answer for them. If he can cut government spending by 15%, he can cut an hour from his schedule to show up.”
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Madam Speaker, I have sat in the House for five and a half years, and this is the first time I am going to vote on a motion that calls on the Prime Minister to appear in committee. My colleague is talking to us as though we spend our weeks asking the Prime Minister to waste his time in committee. This is a specific situation. There is a budget coming up. The Prime Minister has given himself special responsibilities and must be able to answer for that. What are we to make of the fact that the Prime Minister is capable of cutting government spending by 15% in a G7 country, but is unable to cut back on something else to free up an hour to appear before a committee? We know the Prime Minister is capable of making cuts. Surely he can cut 15% of the time devoted to something on his schedule, such as a meeting. He could come to Parliament Hill a little earlier. He is a hard-working man. He has long workdays. He is capable of appearing before a committee, given the special circumstances. Seriously, I think my colleague might be proud of his Prime Minister when he hears him testify. He might be pleased with what comes out of it. He might discover that this is what it means to believe in the parliamentary system. I urge him to show a little open-mindedness.

In response to a question from Ned Kuruc

“Our economy is facing hard times and external tariffs, so our budget choices matter. To keep debt under control, we must make tough decisions. The Prime Minister makes these decisions and takes the credit for them. He needs to come to a parliamentary committee to answer for them.”
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Madam Speaker, I did not write the budget, thank God. Perhaps that answers my colleague’s question. This is not an easy situation. The reality is that the economic situation is really not easy. No one here decided to impose tariffs on us; they were imposed on us from outside. We are experiencing major structural challenges, and in a situation like this, the choices we make become all the more important. When there is growth, as there was in the 1990s, when money flows freely and the economy is doing well, we can afford to be less discriminating in the choices we make without it having an immediate impact. The motion does not call for a return to a balanced budget, far from it. What the motion says is that if we want the debt-to-GDP ratio to stabilize, we will have to make choices. These are not easy choices, but I think it is up to the Prime Minister to answer for them. Like many Quebeckers and Canadians, I think that a lot of things get decided in the Prime Minister’s Office. One cannot take all the credit, hold press conferences, travel the world trumpeting the decision, and then turn around and say that the minister will handle it. The Prime Minister wants to make the decisions, and he must answer for those decisions in the appropriate parliamentary forum, namely before a committee.

In response to a question from Claude DeBellefeuille

“The government is cutting 15% from almost every department. Blanket cuts will hurt direct services like prisons, where staff are needed to keep people safe. The government should protect these essential services instead of cutting everywhere.”
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Madam Speaker, this is what can happen when budget cuts are made quickly across the board, using a blanket approach. The government decided that, aside from defence and two or three other organizations, every department will face 15% budget cuts. With regard to penitentiaries, the Archambault facility was located in my riding before the electoral boundaries were revised. There were significant security issues there, including people smuggling in 3-D printed parts for firearms. Thankfully, no one ever smuggled in enough parts to build a whole firearm. The people who work there provide a direct service, one that is essential both to the safety of Quebeckers and Canadians and to that of inmates, as well as to maintaining public confidence in our correctional system and in the rule of law. There is this notion that budget cuts can be made everywhere and AI can be brought in, as though we were at McKinsey, and that it will deliver the same results because the federal government does not really provide services. In fact, the government provides few enough as it is, so I think it should give special consideration to those areas where services are actually being delivered and where public confidence in our most fundamental institutions could be undermined. The situation in our penitentiaries illustrates what can happen when the intentions are good, but the desire is to move too fast and go too far.

In response to a question from Marilyn Gladu

“The government has made mistakes with housing and asylum seekers, and it still owes Quebec hundreds of millions of dollars. I want the Prime Minister to come answer questions at the finance committee.”
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Madam Speaker, I appreciate my colleague very much. We have worked together in the past and are likely to continue to do so. However, why does the Prime Minister not come and discuss this with us in committee? The Liberal member seems proud of these measures, proud of the plan and proud of what the Prime Minister is doing. She makes it sound like the government is not making any mistakes. There have been housing problems, there was the Roxham crisis, and Quebec is demanding to be paid back the hundreds of millions of dollars it spent on asylum seekers. That is part of the problem. The member is proud. I do not fully share her point of view. The government is not doing everything wrong, but there are things that need to change. Why does the Prime Minister not appear before the Standing Committee on Finance? It could be constructive, and the Prime Minister might enjoy appearing before the committee. I think the member should send him an email or go see him in the lobby to tell him to appear before the Standing Committee on Finance, because he will enjoy it as much as she enjoys being in the House.

In response to a question from Steven Bonk

“The government broke its promise to keep Canada's debt-to-GDP ratio down. Now that the ratio is rising, it wants to change the rules. I support this motion because the Prime Minister needs to answer questions about this at the finance committee.”
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Madam Speaker, I did not want to get into a psychoanalysis of who has what kind of heart. What I am saying is that, for a number of years now, the Government of Canada has been maintaining certain fiscal anchors. It said it would increase spending, and by a large amount, considering the billions of dollars involved, but it believed that the debt-to-GDP ratio would decrease or stabilize over time. That means that it is important for the government to control the debt-to-GDP ratio. Now, in her report, the Parliamentary Budget Officer is telling us that the government is abandoning that fiscal anchor and that the debt-to-GDP ratio is going to increase. Since the government is not following its own rules, it is now saying that it is going to change the rules and the definitions. Basically, the motion says that we have questions for the Prime Minister. Perhaps he is the right person to answer those questions. Sometimes we cannot ask him those question in the House, for reasons that I am not allowed to mention, so perhaps we need a more relaxed setting, a little more time and a different format to ask the Prime Minister questions. I think that the Standing Committee on Finance would be a very appropriate forum. That is why we support the motion.

“I support this motion. The cost of living is rising, and the poorest 20% of people are suffering the most. The government is hiding its bad spending by calling everyday expenses investments, breaking its own debt rules, and giving billions to Ontario while giving nothing to Quebec. The Prime Minister should come to the finance committee and answer our questions.”
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Madam Speaker, I send my regards to my colleague from Whitby, whom I have not seen in a while, and to you as well. You know how much I enjoy speaking when you are in the chair, especially since you are often the only person who listens to me, along with my Bloc Québécois colleagues. I doubly appreciate it. I did not want to start a debate on that, though, so I will start my speech over again and give back the 30 seconds I lost saying those things. We need to take this seriously. It is an opposition day. As I said recently in the House, there are 343 members of Parliament—though there are a few vacant seats—and I do not think there is anyone in the House who is not concerned about the cost of living. I think that is important. When we visit our ridings, we see that people are concerned about the rising cost of groceries and transportation. There is also the anxiety and fear of what may lie ahead. The Bank of Canada is talking about raising interest rates. That means higher mortgage rates. There is talk of increasing bond rates, which will also have an impact on fixed rates. People are not just worried about the cost of living and the price of gas at the pump today. People who are budget conscious and are stretched increasingly thin are worried about the impact in the medium term. This is a big problem, because a situation that we thought was temporary, with the Strait of Hormuz and the war in Ukraine, seems to be becoming permanent. I have said this to a number of colleagues here, and I have also discussed it with the Minister of Finance and National Revenue: The least wealthy 20% of Quebeckers and Canadians must be foremost in our minds. We know that 80% of people have seen a significant increase in their purchasing power in recent years. We tend to forget that. People generally feel that they deserve pay raises, but do not deserve higher costs. The fact remains that some people have experienced a real increase in their purchasing power. Meanwhile, 20% of people have not seen their purchasing power grow. For those people, the slightest increase in the cost of meat, gas and utility bills hits hard. That is why I think we should vote in favour of this motion. Why do I think that? It is because the Prime Minister who took over the reins of government told us that Canadians could judge him by the prices at the grocery store. I am not the one saying that. Quite frankly, I would never have said something like that during an election campaign. I would never have made such a statement, but the Prime Minister did. Perhaps he has some kind of superpower the rest of us do not have over food prices, which are set on the Chicago Board of Trade. I do not know what superpowers the Prime Minister may have, but he said it. Now, the preamble to the motion does take a simplified view of the situation. We acknowledge that. It is a Conservative motion. If we are ever going to vote for a Conservative motion, we will have to accept some oversimplification, which I will discuss later on. However, I think that politely asking the Prime Minister to spend a little time here in Parliament and in committee, to pay a little attention to the parliamentary process and to come and speak about the cost of living, might not be such a bad thing. As I said, ever since the Prime Minister took office, we do not really know what is going on at the Department of Finance anymore. We do not know who is truly making the decisions or where the initiative is coming from. In committee, the Minister of Finance does not answer our questions. He shows up with infographics, pages covered in little coloured bubbles, and says, for example, that ordinary people can do the math on the excise tax cuts using a paper and pen. The Prime Minister has expertise in economics. He knows the impact of taxes. He knows how these things are calculated. He has a background in economics. Perhaps that could compensate for those economic areas where the Minister of Finance is lacking. That might help increase the quality of debate at the Standing Committee on Finance. We would be remiss in not having the Prime Minister appear before the committee. It is a sound idea. I think the Prime Minister would like that. He is a great communicator. He is someone who has learned over time to communicate, sometimes directly with the public. However, he needs to learn to communicate with parliamentarians, especially since there are legitimate concerns. For instance, the motion refers to debt and government spending. When the Prime Minister arrived, when he first decided to take that position, the first step was to convince people that this was a new government, but it depends on how one defines a new government. A few seats changed hands, and there are a few new ministers. The truth is that the Trudeau government had been in office for nearly a decade, a decade during which we can all agree that fiscal restraint was not a priority. The Prime Minister therefore decided that there was not much he could do about that. He was in a tough situation. His hands were tied. On top of that, he arrived in the midst of a crisis. The Prime Minister decided he would cover up the problem by inventing an investment concept that the Parliamentary Budget Officer does not understand and that CPA Canada was unable to explain to us in committee. Despite what the government says, this is not at all in line with what is being done in the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom has a unitary government, whereas here we have health transfers. When Quebec uses a transfer from Ottawa to build a hospital, who does the infrastructure belong to? Does it fall under Quebec’s infrastructure plan or is it an investment expenditure by Ottawa? Is it counted twice? Brushing problems aside or redefining them to sweep them under the rug does not get rid of the dust that is under there. I think that the Prime Minister needs to explain that decision. Why is the government classifying tax credits as investments, as tax expenditures? That is not done anywhere else in the world. To my mind, investments normally refer to assets that appear on a balance sheet: concrete, buildings, hospitals. Ottawa owns 2% of all capital, of all public infrastructure in Canada. That 2% comes from the investment advisory council set up by then finance minister Bill Morneau. It was tabled in committee. That means there are no federal investments. The few federal investments that do exist are already accounted for in private sector accounting. Some of our colleagues come from the business world. Airports, which the government is seeking to privatize, along with ports and many Crown corporations, are already accounted for elsewhere. That means they cannot simply be folded into the government’s figures through creative accounting. When a government’s response to a problem is to obscure it, redefine it and deny its existence rather than resolve it, I think that raises a number of questions. As I said, CPA Canada representatives appeared before the committee. This is the organization that people look to for expertise on tax rules and definitions of what constitutes an investment in Canada. When I asked the CPA Canada representatives if they considered this to be an investment, things got pretty awkward. Sometimes, the people who appear before the committee do not want to upset the government, but they did not have an answer. The Minister of Finance does not have an answer. All they can say is that a written response will be provided to the committee. Now, the motion oversimplifies a few things. Is it true that federal government spending caused inflation? I think the House should know that this is not an entirely accurate interpretation of reality. Our GDP is below its potential. In other words, we could produce more without creating inflation or inflationary pressure. Our unemployment rate is above what is known as the “natural” rate. In other words, we could have economic growth and reduce unemployment without creating inflation. We know very well that, in a situation like this, government spending does not systematically cause inflation. That is taught in school. Decades and decades of empirical research prove it. However, that does not mean that borrowed money does not carry interest. That does not mean that the government should spend money willy-nilly. That does not mean that it should not have fiscal anchors. That does not mean that it has to spend years saying it is keeping an eye on the debt-to-GDP ratio. Now, all of a sudden, the Prime Minister and the Minister of Finance are blowing through the targets. When targets are not met, they cannot be redefined. They cannot. Obviously, the Conservative motion oversimplifies a few things, but the concerns about the stewardship of public funds are not unreasonable. What the Conservatives are essentially asking is why we do not put questions directly to the Prime Minister, who seems to be making all the decisions himself. It is a bit hard to object to that, especially since the government has decided to forgo certain revenues. The Parliamentary Budget Officer says that we will have to wait and see what the budget says, because certain things could still change. Decisions are going to be made. We will find out next week. Based on the current trajectory, however, the Parliamentary Budget Officer says that the deficit expectations will not be met, that the deficit is going to be bigger and that the resulting additional deficit will add up to roughly the same amount as the tax holiday recently granted by the government. The parliamentary debate on that issue just ended, but the government is giving itself two or three weeks to draft a budget, which we know will very likely pass, barring a major upset. Considering all the toing and froing between the two sides of the House, anything could happen in a week, but nothing is expected to happen. Anyway, there was the excise tax, and there were also the tax cuts for the rich over the past few years. The government tells us that it cut income tax rates for the middle class. However, while it lowered them for the first and second tax brackets, the wealthiest people, earning $200,000 to $300,000 a year, pay taxes at the marginal tax rate. I see some puzzled faces. As members know, we have a marginal tax rate. A wealthy person gets the basic exemption and pays a lower rate in the next tax bracket. In the next tax bracket up, they pay a higher rate. The wealthiest fall into every tax bracket. When the government says it is lowering the second bracket, the people who benefit the most are those who make a great deal of money. There are other mechanisms for redistributing wealth. The government is forgoing revenue without achieving the intended redistributive effect on households. Since we have a budget management problem, it is important to redistribute the money to people who have less. Spending is high, but it is not achieving the goal. We could be doing more with the same amount of money, so it is worth asking the Prime Minister some questions, and even asking the Minister of Finance some questions too, if he is willing to answer. Now that is a challenge. The Minister of Finance is very talented when it comes to sidestepping questions, but I think we deserve some answers on this. We also deserve answers on oil subsidies. The last time I checked, oil is not subject to tariffs. It is the sector that has received the best treatment from Donald Trump. It seems that Donald Trump is just as passionate about oil as the Prime Minister is. Why has this industry been getting 90% of the government’s attention for some time now? I was listening to the member for Whitby speak earlier. Before becoming a parliamentary secretary, the member for Whitby was one of the Liberal caucus’ most ardent advocates for combatting global warming. He moved motions about it. He held press conferences with the people who are now suing the government for its inaction on climate change. Someone is paying for these subsidies. The Liberals are counting them as investments. There are people paying for these subsidies. They have an alternative use. If these are indeed investments, there are other types of investments that would be more beneficial for future generations. We deserve some answers about that. The government tells us that it is going to make 15% cuts to all departments, downsize the public service and speed up attrition. At the same time, it is creating Crown corporations. First, there was an agency for defence contracts. That was under Bill C‑31. The government is now introducing Bill C‑40, saying that it will undo everything that Bill C‑31 did. We do not even know what the right system is anymore. Bill C‑40 is going to undo what Bill C‑31 did and create a Crown corporation whose CEO will earn twice as much as the Minister of Finance. We are wondering why the government is doing this. Are there issues of transparency or issues of conflict of interest? Did the Ethics Commissioner ask about it? We do not know. Why not ask him these questions? The Prime Minister is a smart guy. He is known for his intellect. He is capable of answering our questions. I would like to get an answer to that, especially since he keeps cutting public service positions while telling us that AI is going to solve the problem at the Canada Revenue Agency, never mind that AI is making 80% of the errors. Then he goes and creates agencies like this one. Are the staff at these agencies counted as part of the public service? These agencies will of course have staff. Do they count? When he says he has been very successful in reducing the number of public servants, will those be real numbers or not? I asked that question in committee, but we did not get an answer, so I think that still warrants hearing from the Prime Minister. Then there are the provinces’ finances. There are public services. We were talking about the cost of living. People want to be able to afford their groceries. They want to be able to go to work. They want to be able to afford daily essentials, but people also get sick and they want to receive health care too. They want decent hospitals. They want infrastructure. Last year, the Minister of Finance met 50% of the provincial premiers’ requests for infrastructure funding, and he attached all kinds of conditions to it. Receiving health care is important. People continue to get sick even though the federal government does not run the hospital, and those folks need to be taken care of. The conditions need to be scaled back as well. Transfers come with a bunch of conditions attached. The Liberals are saying that there are interprovincial barriers and that they should be doing something other than dealing with regulations, red tape, bureaucracy and so on. They are now saying that they are going to make transfers and that there are going to be two million conditional federal-provincial agreements, each of which will take a whole floor of public servants to manage. Is that not the opposite of the approach preferred by the Prime Minister, who has the heart of a Conservative, and by the Conservatives, who, in many ways, have the hearts of new Liberals? Should we not ask questions about that? We should, because the provinces, Quebec and the federal government are interconnected. That is part of the cost of living. As for seniors, they are now divided into two classes: those aged 65 to 74, and those aged 75 and over who are entitled to more than the others. The long-standing understanding has been that, when people plan for retirement, everyone begins receiving OAS at age 65. By the way, OAS benefits are taxable and subject to the progressive income tax system, as I was explaining to my colleague opposite a few minutes ago. There is therefore an element of fairness and targeting at play. How is it that the government has money for the excise tax but it suddenly does not have the same amount of money to give to Quebec seniors? These are questions that must be answered. The same can be said of fiscal anchors. When a government is first elected, it promises fiscal discipline, but when its fiscal anchor no longer suits its purposes, it simply changes the anchor. Why? I looked up the definition of “anchor” in the dictionary. It is something that is supposed to be solid, otherwise the ship would run aground. A fiscal anchor is not meant to be changed with every budget. That is what the Parliamentary Budget Officer lambasted the government for. She says that we need to pay attention to the debt situation overall, not just to the deficit as defined by the Prime Minister. According to the Parliamentary Budget Officer, over the next five years, cumulative deficits are projected to total $333.3 billion, while the debt will increase by $732.9 billion. That is more than double. We need to ask questions about that. We need to challenge the investment expenditures. Are they really investments? Incidentally, Ottawa does not have an infrastructure plan, unlike the provinces, which follow proper accounting rules. Ottawa tells us that these are investments, but there are no assets backing the liabilities. There is no annual depreciation of those assets. It is all a fiction. Quebec actually records the money it deposits into the generations fund as an expense. In other words, Quebec sets aside cash in a fund for the benefit of future generations and accounts for it as an expense. Ottawa, on the other hand, records spending as an investment when there is in fact no investment. That raises questions. The Parliamentary Budget Officer tells us that, in five years’ time, by 2031, the debt-to-GDP ratio is going to rise from 40.8% to 42.6%. That is just the federal debt. Canada’s public debt includes provincial and municipal debts as well. When the Liberals compare themselves to the G7, they compare Canada’s federal debt to the debt levels of unitary states and announce that things are just fine. On that note, I want to say that the government has had an obsession with the G7 for the past year and a half. The G7 is all it thinks about. G7 countries have high-speed trains, so it wants them too. G7 countries have this, G7 countries have that. It seems to be stuck on the G7, or maybe its G7 key is stuck—I will work on that and ask for a correction to the blues later. Who is this government comparing itself to? Perhaps it is comparing itself to France. How are things going in France when it comes to the cost of living? How are things in France? Perhaps it is comparing itself to the United States, which is part of the G7. The debt situation in the United States is great. Perhaps it is comparing itself to the United Kingdom. Are things going well in the U.K.? Is that an example to follow? Let us keep looking. It is comparing itself to Japan, where the savings behaviour and public debt ownership are primarily Japanese, and there have been significant problems with public debt and demographics for years. It is comparing itself to Japan. The Liberals point to the G7 to argue that things are going well in Canada and in Germany. The questions being asked about the trajectory of public debt in Canada and the questions that the Conservatives want to ask are legitimate. Those questions deserve answers. If the Prime Minister disagrees, he can say so. In the last minute of speaking time I have left, I would like to return to what our priority should be. A budget is coming, and our priority should be the people who are at risk of losing their jobs today. The government has announced a $9-billion fund for Ontario’s steel industry, yet not a single penny has been set aside for Quebec. Where is the fairness in that? There are steel mills in Quebec, but they are not getting a single penny. We need to protect those jobs, too. The 20% of households that will be hit hardest may find themselves unable to buy school supplies for their children when food prices rise by even half a percentage point. We need to look after these people. We need to increase the Canada groceries and essentials benefit. We need to look after them. The Liberals know that their suspension of the excise tax is set to expire early next year. They need to prepare for it. They must keep in mind the people I have just spoken about. If the Prime Minister keeps these people in mind, rather than business leaders, then I am confident he will agree to appear before the committee and work constructively with us and the rest of the opposition.

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Business of Supply

“The government just lists the cultural grants it gives to Quebec instead of listening to our ideas. It claims we only complain. We want fair taxes and a modern way to fund our media and culture. The government is still using rules from the 1980s.”
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Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my colleague. That was an excellent speech. Whenever today’s topic comes up in the House, ministers and members stand up and read lists of everything that the Department of Canadian Heritage has funded in Quebec, like festivals and events and so forth. Essentially, they are telling us that we cannot put forward meaningful proposals or carry out our role as the opposition simply because the Department of Canadian Heritage exists. As long as this department exists and spends money on festivals, we will not be allowed to put forward meaningful proposals. However, this government claims, with great arrogance, that the opposition does nothing but complain and is not constructive. What we are calling for is tax fairness. We are asking whether the system as a whole that is used for funding the media ecosystem reflects the reality of today’s new technologies. This is a profound and necessary change that must be sustainable. What are we to make of a government that, in 2026, decides to support culture and, in particular, the television industry and the radio sector, using methods from the 1980s?

In response to a question from Mario Beaulieu

“The Prime Minister gave up our digital services tax and levy to please the U.S. government instead of negotiating. This hurt francophone culture and gave us nothing in return except more tariffs and higher costs for our industries.”
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Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister said it in a speech: If we are not at the table, we are on the menu. I think today’s debate shows that francophone culture in Canada is on the menu. It was devoured by these negotiations. To me, that is obvious. The Prime Minister decided to scrap the digital services tax and the levy to please the U.S. government. Clearly, these measures bothered the U.S. government; they were bargaining chips. Instead of negotiating, the Prime Minister chose to cave. What did we get in return? We got absolutely nothing, except tariffs and additional costs for our industries.

In response to a question from Burton Bailey

“I do not have confidence in the Prime Minister. The Liberals use fear of Donald Trump to stay in power, break their promises, and pass policies they never campaigned on. The Prime Minister does not respect democracy, and the Liberals always say one thing and do another.”
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Mr. Speaker, that is a pretty broad question. Why should we have confidence in the Liberals? Personally, I put my face on a blue poster. There are many shades of blue. I believe that today’s Liberals are using fear as their weapon of choice. They are using Donald Trump. He is their main political ally. Fear has allowed them to consolidate support. That is why they are able to walk back their promises. That is why they are able to implement policies that were never even mentioned during the election campaign. It is fear that affords them this freedom. However, this freedom that the Prime Minister grants himself ought to be tempered by a respect for democracy, but the Prime Minister does not seem to have that. He appears to believe that, because the political winds are currently in his favour, he can do as he pleases and take full advantage of it. Does that mean that I, as an MP who is witnessing this, who knows the details of the policies and who is informed about the finer points, have confidence in the Prime Minister? The answer is unequivocally no. I believe these are people who say one thing and do another. I also believe that this tendency is deeply embedded in the DNA of the Liberal Party of Canada.

In response to a question from Marilyn Gladu

“The government is keeping the trade talks secret, so we do not know if the Prime Minister protected Quebec's culture. We do know the government gave in to Donald Trump again and again. Taxpayers are paying the price, and Canada got nothing in return.”
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Mr. Speaker, we will never know what happened in the final days of the negotiations. Supposedly the Prime Minister had a deal. It was confidential. We do not know what was in it. He met with the provincial premiers, and Quebec seemed unhappy with it. How do we know it was not the Prime Minister himself who stomped on Quebec’s culture? How do we know it was not Quebec itself that said no? Implementing these free trade agreements also requires the co-operation of the provinces. How do we know? We do not know, and we will never know, because this government is not transparent. What we do know is that there is a list of concessions. Time and again, the Canadian government chose to capitulate to Trump. He got a call, and he folded. Taxpayers are paying the price, and Donald Trump is using Canada as a doormat. What have we obtained so far in exchange for these very real and costly concessions? The answer is absolutely nothing.

“Foreign tech giants make billions in Canada but do not pay their fair share of taxes. The government backed down to Donald Trump and cancelled the 15 percent levy on these companies. This hurts Canadian media and leaves regular people to pay the bill. I want the government and the CRTC to bring that levy back and follow our own laws.”
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Mr. Speaker, I will be sharing my time with my friend and excellent colleague, the member for Shefford. I am really looking forward to hearing what she has to say. I was not as eager to hear what the parliamentary secretary had to say, but I listened carefully to his speech. I do not remember what he is the parliamentary secretary of. He is probably the parliamentary secretary of everything. I mean that as a compliment, by the way, and I hope he takes it as one. What he essentially told us is that an election was held and, after the last election, important public policy changes were made. He told us that there was a new government, but we all know that it is not really new. New Liberal members crossed the floor of the House, but the government is essentially the same. He told us that some policy changes were made. I am thinking back to the election campaign and I do not recall a time when voters gave this government a mandate to create tax injustices. I do not remember that. There is a principle that Quebeckers hold dear, and I believe Canadians are probably also pretty attached to that principle. I am talking about the principle that everyone has to pay their fair share of taxes. As my colleague from Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj said earlier, when we go to a restaurant or buy goods such as cars or other things we need in our daily lives, we pay taxes. When people go to work, they pay income tax. People pay their taxes. In today’s digital economy, some players do not pay their share of taxes. Let me provide some context. The Prime Minister keeps telling us that the world has changed and that we must adapt to those changes. That is what he said. The Minister of Finance and National Revenue has echoed that message hundreds of times. As we know, the world of communications has changed too, because the world has gone digital. Back when Parliament first passed laws to regulate broadcasting and support Canadian television and radio production, there was cable, relatively few channels and limited foreign competition. People paid to subscribe. Viewers funded a significant portion of the production, while the government also provided production subsidies. Today, however, we live in the age of the Internet, where information travels very quickly, over vast distances and in very large volumes, with international competition. The concept is this. When a foreign company provides digital services in Canada, it is providing something unique. If I buy an apple grown in the United States, it is imported. Naturally, the best apples come from Saint‑Joseph‑du‑Lac, but the point is, buying an apple means a transaction takes place at a specific point in time. We know where the value was originally created. The apple grew on an apple tree, it was transported, and we know where the transaction took place. We know the economic value of this transaction because we know where it took place. When it comes to digital services, however, the place where the service is produced and the place where it is consumed are two different places. There are companies that are not based here, yet they carry on economic activities here. Therefore, the prevailing tax principle is that, because these companies are based in California or elsewhere in the United States, they need answer only to U.S. tax authorities. What do these companies that come here actually do? Social media platforms such as Facebook and the like steal content. The government has taken certain actions. They steal segments of news programs, TV dramas, and movies that someone produced and paid for. In that context, who is going to produce cultural products when our own cultural products are allowed to be stolen? Similarly, there are companies that operate here but do not pay their fair share of taxes, the idea being that, even though the service is consumed here, for tax purposes, the economic value lies in the United States, where the service is produced. As for the transaction, we do not know where it takes place. It takes place in two places simultaneously. These companies are therefore generating billions and billions of dollars in revenue on Canadian soil. That means Canadians are the ones footing the bill. That revenue is not taxed. Meanwhile, we have this outdated regulatory framework that was written back when no one knew the Internet even existed. Maybe people knew it existed, but they did not know it would grow to such a scale, and the framework did not include these digital services. If the government had known at the time that today’s technological environment would be what it is, it would have included that in the framework, so that is what the Liberal government did, and we supported it. It said that we would have tax fairness and that these people would simply pay Canadians a portion of their sales in Canada. These people were going to contribute to the media ecosystem and take some pressure off our overtaxed media. I do not presume to know what the Speaker thinks, but I know there are Conservatives here who do not like taxes. However, if we scrap this levy, as the government is currently doing, we will end up overtaxing our own media. The Liberals have decided to put an end to this, to violate their own act, to override the rule of law, to override democracy and to say that this is a new government, so the laws passed by previous parliaments can get thrown out. They decided to take even more money out of taxpayers’ pockets. Do my colleagues care about the cost of living? American multinationals worth billions do not want to pay, so the government is going to tax people instead. Why did they do that? They did it because they caved to Donald Trump, and not for the first time. Consider the digital services tax. Donald Trump said that Americans did not like Canada’s digital services tax, so the Liberals viewed it as a sticking point in trade talks. They rolled over and let Donald Trump walk all over them. They said it would help them in the negotiations, but it did not. As for the levies on digital services, they acted in the middle of summer when everyone was on vacation, just like they did with the by-elections. They went to Washington and came back, concluding that it displeased the U.S. President, even though the U.S. is our largest trading customer, so the government caved, allowed itself to be pushed around and let the president use Canada as a doormat. This was coming from “Mr. Canada”, who said “elbows up”. The government then scrapped the levy. They figured that if Donald Trump’s U.S. multinationals did not want to pay, then Canadians would foot the bill instead. After all, they were able to do it. They have no problem paying rent or buying groceries, so they are making Canadians pay. The Standing Committee on Finance raised the issue of the global minimum tax, which would also affect digital companies because they do not pay their fair share of taxes. They use transfer pricing and all sorts of tax schemes to avoid paying their fair share, anywhere in the world. The government is considering a global minimum tax on the sales made in Canada by massive, profitable companies. The Minister of Finance moved an amendment at the Standing Committee on Finance and said that only the Americans would be exempt, because they have their own system and tax themselves, as they see fit, even for economic activity generated in Canada. Now he wants to exempt the Americans. Canada is bowing down, and Donald Trump is using us as a doormat. That is exactly what is happening. What did we get in return? We got absolutely nothing. At the same time, fundamental principles, such as respect for the rule of law, our institutions and acts of Parliament, are being violated. The one violating those principles today is the U.S. government. We are simply asking the CRTC to uphold the law and require these multinationals to contribute 15%. That is less than the 20% to 30% paid by our own companies, incidentally. They are already getting a discount. Now the government is saying that, because it rolled over for Donald Trump, it is now going to apply Donald Trump’s principles, violate its own laws, circumvent the rulings of its own administrative tribunals and turn its back on decisions made by previous governments. It is going to do exactly what the Americans are asking for. When told that he was violating these principles, the minister across the way, the “minister of poutine”, says that he funded the poutine festival and so people need to stop whining and complaining. It is unbecoming of a government to tell people in the cultural sector struggling with sustainable financing and an outdated system that the poutine festival is receiving funds so they can just shut up. Basically, it shows that the government has no answer. It shows that the Minister of Canadian Identity and Culture is uneasy. I am sure that does not sit well with Quebeckers in the Liberal caucus, because the decision is a Canadian decision and unacceptable for our cultural ecosystem. The levy needs to be reinstated.

“We are debating the digital services levy. When we asked about protecting Quebec's cultural industries, the minister dismissed our concerns and told us to stop whining because the government funded a local food festival. That kind of answer shows the government does not take Quebec and French culture seriously.”
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Mr. Speaker, anything can be debated in the House. Today, we are debating the issue of the digital services levy. We asked questions about this during oral question period. This week, when my colleague, the member for Drummond, asked the Minister of Canadian Identity and Culture a question, the minister stood up and literally asked my colleague why he was whining when the minister had funded the poutine festival in his riding. When we brought up our cultural industry, his response was that he had funded the poutine festival and that we should stop whining. I have nothing against poutine, but when a minister speaks to us in that tone and gives us answers like that, what does that tell us about the government’s commitment to francophone culture and Quebec culture?

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National Early Childhood Educators Week

“It is National Early Childhood Educators Week. I am thanking early childhood educators for caring for and teaching our young children.”
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Mr. Speaker, since this week is National Early Childhood Educators Week, I would like to take this opportunity to thank all those who support our little ones as they make their first discoveries. Day after day, they nurture our children’s emotions, encourage their curiosity, and help them find their place in the group. Behind every story told, behind every child comforted, there is heart, dedication and, above all, a very, very, very deep well of patience. Whether in private day care, home-based care, or a child care centre, a proud legacy of the Parti Québécois that significantly advanced gender equality, these professionals use their expertise to provide children with a solid foundation for life. Above all, parents know they can entrust their precious little ones to them with complete peace of mind. On behalf of the families in my riding, the Bloc Québécois and, I am sure, all my colleagues in the House, I would like to thank all early childhood educators. On a personal note, I would like to thank Michèle and Sonia for taking care of my little boy every day. I thank them for the role they play, perhaps the most fundamental one of all, in helping to shape the Quebec of tomorrow.

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Canadian Fuel Affordability Act

“I do not support this fuel tax cut. It does not lower food prices or transit costs. If the government really wanted to help public transit, it would not have cut transit funding for the provinces.”
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Mr. Speaker, maybe he is just killing time, but the minister told us this was a targeted measure to help people. Then he told us it affects everyone. Clearly, the goal is to have a direct impact on people’s wallets, not through lower transportation costs, which in turn lowers this and that. The purpose of this measure is not to lower food prices through the supply chain. That takes something else. If they want to support public transit, then why did they cut the public transit budget? Why did they reduce funding to the provinces for public transit? That would help our public transit systems and our infrastructure. That is a real issue, unlike claiming that “if we lower the excise tax through a 14th degree effect via Mars, it will have an impact on the STM in Montreal.” Come on, now.

In response to a question from Kevin Lamoureux

“We should not vote on this tax cut today. It costs $4 billion, and someone has to pay for it. The measure is already in place anyway. The government is releasing its full budget in a few days. We should look at all these policies together and vote on this as part of the budget.”
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Mr. Speaker, the goal is to help families. The goal is to do so at the lowest possible cost. The goal of redistribution is to do so with as little tax pressure as possible. The Conservatives will say what they want. The reality today is that, if we spend $4 billion on this measure, someone is going to pay. I think they will agree with me that they are not going to improve government operations a year from now. It is not in their DNA to do that. A budget will be tabled on November 5. What I want to know is, if we include the grocery tax credit, that is, the GST rebate with a new name, what will we find in the pockets of a family of two parents and two children in Mirabel or a single person in Mirabel? We have to look at all policies. Today, we are discussing a policy taken in isolation by the government, when in a few days, there will be a budget that will give us the whole picture. Are we voting yea or nay? They will announce it, there will be a vote, and they will stand by it. However, I think there should simply have been a vote on all of this as part of the November 5 budget. There was a notice of ways and means motion. The measure is already in effect, and there is no reason to vote on it a few days before the budget.

In response to a question from Kevin Lamoureux

“Before we vote on this bill, the government should tell us how much of the fuel tax cut actually helps shoppers instead of retailers. The finance department can measure this. This money would help more if we gave it directly to the people who need it most.”
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Mr. Speaker, I understand that there are all sorts of perspectives in a social science like economics, but, at the end of the day, one plus one equals two. I did not tell the House that none of the discount ended up in consumers’ pockets. I did not say that. The first thing we need to know is how much of the rebate ended up in consumers’ pockets. We should know that before we vote. Second, I am concerned that the policy is not targeted. That same amount of money could provide four or five times more help to the 20% of people who have the greatest difficulty making ends meet. That is the question I am asking. This is not about a school of thought, a perspective or a point of view. If my colleague thinks that one plus one does not equal two, then he should not be debating financial issues because there are ways to measure these things. At the end of the day, he may believe that a measure is worthwhile if 30% of the discount ends up in retailers’ pockets. He is entitled to believe that, but he cannot tell me that the facts are flexible depending on how we feel when we get up in the morning. There are ways to calculate that. There are people at the Department of Finance who know how to do it. I assume that it has been done and that it has not been published.

In response to a question from Jim Bélanger

“Cutting the gas tax will not automatically lower prices for drivers. Gas stations have room to set their own prices based on local supply and demand. Data from the United States and the past shows they often keep some of that tax cut for themselves.”
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Mr. Speaker, my colleague is right. This market has a unique structure. The question is not whether the GST and QST are added. The question is what the price would be if there were no taxes. Does the member understand what I mean? There are statistical methods for determining whether, when a tax is imposed, the producer has passed it on to consumers or whether the producer has absorbed part of it by lowering their own price before tax. On the CBC website, there is an interesting map where people can see the gas stations in a given neighbourhood. For example, I can see that, in my neighbourhood, in my riding, some gas stations are charging five cents more a litre, whereas others are charging six cents or three cents more a litre. There is some leeway because retailers know their customers, especially in agricultural areas, and supply and demand plays a role in the final retail stage. When we are talking about five cents or four cents on diesel and 10¢ on gas, retailers at the final retail stage definitely have some leeway to assess the situation and they may not lower the price by an amount equivalent to the excise tax discount. That is what the data show, that is what we are seeing in the United States and that is what we have seen historically. I would invite my colleague to take an economics course. He is shaking his head no, but I think he could use one.