Business of Supply

The House debated a Conservative opposition motion on a supply day, focused on government spending and the state of public finances, with the opposition calling for greater accountability over federal finances. Conservatives pointed to the Parliamentary Budget Officer’s findings, arguing the government is borrowing too much, breaking its own fiscal anchors, driving up debt-servicing costs, and hiding debt through budget structures and Crown corporations; they also questioned the military reaching 2% of GDP through reclassified spending and asked how spending could be cut. Liberals said Canada’s finances are strong, noting the country retains a top AAA credit rating, has the lowest debt-to-GDP ratio in the G7, is attracting large private investments, and is cutting its deficit; they defended increased spending, including on defence, and argued ministers and parliamentary secretaries already provide accountability at committee without requiring the Prime Minister to appear. Some members also discussed whether LNG Canada should receive public money, a proposal to change pension fund investment rules, and Canada trading with more countries while upholding its values. A Bloc Québécois member said the Prime Minister should appear before committee to answer for his plans, noting his attendance in the House.Written by AI from the debate. Updated .

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Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“The Conservatives give a false impression about our finances. Canada still has a top credit rating, and we have the money to invest in Canadians. The Conservatives choose not to invest in people.”
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Mr. Speaker, it is important to recognize that the Conservatives like to give a false impression. Canada does have financial capabilities, and we still get the AAA credit rating from credit agencies. I see the member is closely following what I am saying. Hopefully, he is actually listening. At the end of the day, we have the financial resources to be able to invest in Canadians. The Conservative Party of Canada has made the decision to not invest in Canadians and to not see the value of growing Canada stronger and healthier for all to be able to participate. It has focused strictly on one issue, not recognizing that we do have a AAA credit rating.

John Brassard, Barrie South—Innisfil

Conservative
“The government has a deficit of over $59 billion this year and is adding $733 billion to the national debt. That costs every Canadian family $6,000. I want the Prime Minister to come to a committee to explain why this happened after he promised it would not.”
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Mr. Speaker, there will be deficits this year of $59.3 billion, meaning that every single family in the country will be paying $6,000 toward the federal deficit. The government is adding $733 billion to the national debt. The least the Prime Minister can do, with all of his experience, all of his expertise and all of the things he claimed to be to Canadians, is to come to a committee of parliamentarians who are here representing the people of Canada, to be accountable and transparent, and to answer the question that parliamentarians, on behalf of Canadians, want to put before him. That is, why are we in this position when he said we would not be?

Dan Albas, Okanagan Lake West—South Kelowna

Conservative
“The Liberals cannot be trusted with public money. The prime minister spent carelessly, and the budget watchdog says the government will break its own spending limits. I want the member to tell us how badly a credit rating agency would score this government.”
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Mr. Speaker, based on the last question from the member for Winnipeg North, it just shows that the Liberals have no credibility on this file anymore. They, under Justin Trudeau, spent and spent without care. Now, even despite having fiscal anchors that they pinky swore they would follow, the PBO has said that they are set to blow through them. In the member’s opinion, if he were a credit rating agency, how would he rate the performance of the government, from its rhetoric a year ago to the state of the finances today?

John Brassard, Barrie South—Innisfil

Conservative
“The government's spending is hurting the country's finances. Two independent officers, including the Parliamentary Budget Officer, warned that the debt and deficit will go up. There are no spending limits, and our children and grandchildren will have to deal with the damage.”
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Mr. Speaker, I would give it a new rating measure, and that rating measure would be that it is my kids and my grandkids who are going to pick up the scattered pieces of what is left of this country after the Liberals do even more damage economically and fiscally than what they are doing right now. That is what the PBO said, that the debt and deficit are going to increase. They have raised the alarms. Not only one PBO but two independent officers have now said that this is an alarming trend that is happening. There are no fiscal anchors. The things that worry me are my kids, my grandkids and the future of the country after the Liberals are done with it.

Blaine Calkins, Ponoka—Didsbury

Conservative
“The Prime Minister is hiding how much debt he is creating by splitting the budget and pushing debt onto Crown corporations. The Liberals are also sharing the budget on a Thursday afternoon before a break week to hide bad news. If the government's finances are so good, they would not act like this.”
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Mr. Speaker, it is not bad enough that the new Prime Minister has split the budget between operating and capital and is distributing the debt that he is creating among those. He is also passing debt on through Crown corporations. To hide all of that, as my colleague brought up, the Liberals are introducing the budget on a Thursday afternoon before a break week. If things are as great as the Liberal government decries that they actually are, why are the Liberals behaving this way?

John Brassard, Barrie South—Innisfil

Conservative
“The Prime Minister knows how to game the system and hide debt across multiple places. He did not answer any questions today. I want him to come to a committee to explain himself and properly answer our questions.”
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Mr. Speaker, it is a relevant question, and there is a very simple answer to that. It is that there is probably nobody in this place who knows better how to game the fiscal system than the former central banker in this country. The member is quite right. The Prime Minister is actually putting this on multiple credit cards, and the debt is just mounting. What we are asking is for the Prime Minister to come to a committee and explain himself, not in the 35 seconds that he has in question period. We saw today that there were literally no questions that were answered. That is why we now call it the non-answer period. He can come to committee. He can be accountable, be transparent and allow parliamentarians the oversight, on behalf of Canadians, that they need to get the answers to the questions that we are asking, not avoid the questions.

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“The Liberal leader is well-qualified. Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper appointed him to run the Bank of Canada, and Britain's Prime Minister chose him to run the Bank of England. In the last election, Canadians looked at both leaders and chose him.”
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Mr. Speaker, at the get-go, I want to follow up on what the member for Barrie South—Innisfil just finished saying about the leader of the Liberal Party having been the Governor of the Bank of Canada. I would remind my friend across the way that it was Stephen Harper who recognized the skill set he has by appointing him Governor of the Bank of Canada. In fairness, he is not the only prime minister to have recognized that. So did the Prime Minister of England in ensuring he would then become the Governor of the Bank of England. That is something that is worthy of noting. Not only did Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the Prime Minister of England recognize the leader of the Liberal Party’s credentials, but Canadians as a whole did just that. In the last federal election, Canadians were very concerned about a wide spectrum of issues. They looked at what the leader of the Conservative Party had to offer and contrasted that to what the leader of the Liberal Party had to offer. Never before has the Liberal Party of Canada received as many votes as a direct result—

Elizabeth May, Saanich—Gulf Islands

Green
“It is usually too loud for me to hear the member, and I do not want to miss what he is saying.”
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Mr. Speaker, despite your best efforts to remind people to lower the noise in the chamber, I very rarely hear the voice of the hon. parliamentary secretary. I would hate to miss it this time.

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“I want the House to vote against this Conservative motion. Canada is not broken. Our economy is strong, we have a top credit rating, and businesses want to invest hundreds of billions of dollars here. Our dental care and school food programs help hundreds of thousands of people. Conservatives only want to attack the Prime Minister and talk down our country.”
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Mr. Speaker, what I was trying to highlight is the fact that Canadians have a very good understanding of what our Prime Minister brings to the table in terms of economic credentials. I think it is important that we take a look at the larger picture. I had the opportunity to ask questions today in debate to the leader of the Conservative Party and the deputy leader. For those who are following the debate, the question I asked the deputy leader was in regard to very important programs. I talked about two programs in particular. I talked about the national dental program that provides support to seniors who are on fixed incomes, as an example, literally tens of thousands of seniors in every region of our country. I highlighted that program, along with the national school food program, which has 400,000 children benefiting from that particular program. I asked her to provide her thoughts on it. Now, I will put the personal shot she took to the side, but she made it very clear that those programs are failures. I was disappointed in the manner in which, in a very clear and concise way, she said that those programs were failures. She should tell that to the senior who is on a fixed income in her own riding or a child who is receiving the benefits in a classroom. That is the type of insensitivity that we see coming from today’s Conservative Party. They talk about affordability, but when it comes to actual actions, the government has delivered a wide spectrum of actions, and I will go over them. What we see is the Conservative Party, time and again, devaluing these programs. I have heard members of the Conservative caucus calling the school food program garbage. Talk about being insensitive to the issues of the day, like affordability. They talk about it; they like to get those clips, but in reality, their actions speak louder than words. We saw that demonstrated today when I posed a question to the deputy leader of the Conservative Party. For those who were around or who followed the speech of the leader of the Conservative Party, they should take a look at what he said. I am sure he will cut and paste, and try to make it look good for the far right. However, if we listen to the entirety of the speech, we cannot help but walk away thinking that Canada has a serious problem and, in fact, that we are broken. Talk about depressing. There is no doubt that there is always room for us to look at ways in which we can improve. We do not question that. However, I say to the leader of the Conservative Party that Canada is not broken. Canada is doing exceptionally well when compared to our peers. We have people, companies, other governments and pensions looking at investing in Canada in a very real and tangible way. They are not going to do that if they believe that Canada is broken. Let us take a look at last month. For the first time ever we had a Prime Minister host the world in Toronto, where we were asking people to come and take a look at what the government had been doing over the previous 12-plus months, and to look at ways in which they might be able to invest in Canada, in those major projects. We had over $500 billion, that is half a trillion dollars plus, that recognized that Canada is worth looking at. That is what they are actually doing. It is a historic amount of money. They would not be doing that if they honestly believed what the leader of the Conservative Party was saying today in his remarks on the opposition motion. I believe that the Conservative Party is way off base. To Conservatives, it is all about the deficit. We have the second-lowest deficit-to-GDP ratio in the G7. If we want to talk about the AAA credit rating, think in terms of the G7 countries. Everyone would like to be a part of the G7, I would suggest, but take a look at those G7 countries. We are talking about the United States, England, France and Germany. There are only two nations, Germany and Canada, that have a AAA credit rating. When I had the opportunity to state that fact to the opposition critic of finance, his response was like, “Well, they don’t know what they’re talking about”. He then went into the reasons he believes that of the credit agencies, which also provide credit reports to provincial entities. He indicated that, “Well, they don’t know what they’re talking about.” I have a lot more confidence in those credit agencies than I do the official opposition, because day in and day out, the Conservatives want to talk down Canada. What is at the core of the motion the Conservatives have before us today? It is hard to believe, but they are saying that, as we have the budget coming down, they are concerned about the deficit. They want to have the Prime Minister go before a standing committee. Maybe the opposition can tell me if, when they were in government, Stephen Harper ever went to a standing committee dealing with the budget. I will save them some time: It never happened. At the end of the day, if we want to do a comparison, the leader of the Conservative Party today, when he was in government, was in the only Conservative government that was ever found in contempt of Parliament. It was the only government in Canadian history. When we start looking at fiscal capacity, what is it with the Conservative Party in terms of not recognizing the potential that Canadians have? There is potential in our resources, commodities, ingenuity and technology, which is there and real in every jurisdiction in Canada. The Conservatives’ response is that they are not prepared to see that sort of investment take place, because they constantly criticize the projects we bring forward. All they say, and focus their attention on, are two things. One is character assassination, whether it is the Prime Minister or other ministers. The other is the deficit situation, but we have been very careful in demonstrating that everything is, in fact, under control. It is by making these investments that we are going to create additional revenue in the future. All one needs to do is to take a look at the projects that are on the table. There are a couple of quotes I would like to share, and then I will go on to some of these projects I made reference to. In regards to the Minister of Finance, I thought he made it very clear the other day in dealing with the financial issue. He said, “The International Monetary Fund just said that Canada has the strongest fiscal position in the G7 and the second-fastest growth in the G7, almost twice that of Germany and Japan.” I see that as good news. The Minister of Finance would reinforce some of the statements I have made, if not all the statements, such as that AAA credit rating. When I talk about having our finances in order and the financial capacity to look at building a stronger, healthier Canada that works for all Canadians, I would suggest it would be irresponsible of the government not to take advantage of that. It pleases me greatly to be able to say that we very much have a proactive Prime Minister who really understands how an economy works and has the relationships not only in Canadian borders but outside of Canada in order for us to advance that. I do not say that lightly. Let us look at the things we have done as a government that led up to the Investment Summit that Canada hosted just last month that I commented on earlier with regard to half a trillion dollars. If we want to support small, medium-sized and large businesses, we need to find customers. In the last federal election, when people were genuinely concerned about Trump’s tariffs and trade, the Prime Minister made a commitment to Canadians in that campaign that we would look at ways to expand trade opportunities that went beyond the Canada-U.S. border, and that is exactly what this government has been doing in good part. We have signed 20-plus trade and security agreements. It is probably 22 or 23 at this point, with many more in the works. Whether it is the Minister of International Trade, the Minister of Agriculture, the Minister of Foreign Affairs or the Minister responsible for Canada-U.S. Trade among the provinces, there are numerous ministers, led by the Prime Minister and supported by every member of the Liberal caucus, out there in the world encouraging and promoting trade opportunities. That is why we are seeing the types of trade numbers today in terms of opportunities gained, at least in good part, working as a team with small businesses, provinces and indigenous people. This is what is making the difference. We have the opportunity to grow the economy, but it means we have to also be prepared to invest in it. Earlier today, representatives of CentrePort in Winnipeg were in the government lobby, and I had a chance to have a very brief chat. I thanked them for what they are doing in building a stronger economy in Manitoba. It is both private and public investment that is feeding that growth because they know they can count on the federal government, the provincial government and private businesses investing in CentrePort. That is exactly what is happening today, which is creating jobs and opportunities into the future. That is a very small example, which is important to my province, of investment that takes place. We can take that snapshot and apply it to every region of our nation. That brings me to the whole thought we have been talking about, which is how we can build, build big and build now. Since the last federal election, we have been working collaboratively with provincial governments and indigenous leaders at ways we can build and expand the Canadian economy, and at the same time protect our environment. There are many projects. In the past, I have talked about the premiers and Prime Minister working, virtually from day one after the last federal election, to build one Canadian economy, and the federal government has done its part in passing the legislation that was necessary to enable that to happen at the federal level. We continue to work with the provinces so that more provinces will take down some of their barriers, because Canadians made it very clear that they want one Canadian economy. They also made it very clear that they want to expand the economy, and expanding the economy means major projects. Let me try to summarize the major projects. We can go from coast to coast to coast, from Arctic sovereignty to what is taking place in B.C. We can talk about LNG phase two and of billions of dollars of investments. We can talk about MOUs in Alberta with a Conservative government. We can talk about copper mines and about the canola issue in the province of Saskatchewan. I already talked about CentrePort, in Manitoba, but we can also talk about the Port of Churchill. We can go into Ontario and talk about nuclear power. We can talk about, in the province of Quebec, something the Conservatives often bring up, the port of Montreal or about the expansion of hydro in Atlantic Canada, among other major projects. From coast to coast to coast, we have a federal government that is working with provinces to make big projects happen and work, and we will all benefit from that. This is one of the ways we can secure more financial resources coming into the country, and if it takes time to be able to secure that, we will put in that time, because we want to make Canada the strongest and healthiest nation in the G7, and that is what we are fighting to achieve.

Jeremy Patzer, Swift Current—Grasslands—Kindersley

Conservative
“The government claims it is spending less, but its tax revenue went up by $130 billion between 2020 and 2025. Canadians got more debt, and they do not know what they got for all that extra money.”
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Mr. Speaker, I do not even know what to begin to say about the member’s speech, but let us just look at some basic numbers here. The Government of Canada’s own data shows that, in 2020, it had $284 billion in tax revenue. In 2025, it was $417 billion in tax revenue. The government’s favourite line is to say that it is spending less so that it can invest more. However, $130 billion more in tax revenue is coming into the government than it did in 2020, yet Canadians are wondering what on earth they got for the $130 billion, plus the extra debt that is tacked on top of that.

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“Our increased spending is justified. For the first time in generations, we are spending 2% of our GDP on the military. Past prime ministers wanted to reach this goal, but our new government reached it in six months. This is a good way to spend money to support our troops and protect our country.”
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Mr. Speaker, the entirety of my speech, with the exception of the reference to Stephen Harper, was about the time since the last federal election. Canadians elected a new Prime Minister and a new government. If we were to take a look at the expenditures, I would tell the member to look specifically at the Canadian Forces, because in the Canadian Forces, for the first time in generations, we have actually hit 2% of the GDP. This is something that has been called for, for years. Stephen Harper dreamed of it, and even the previous administration with Justin Trudeau hoped to achieve it. The Prime Minister actually achieved it within six months of being elected. I believe that it is a good expense to support members of CAF and our sovereignty.

Jean-Denis Garon, Mirabel

Bloc Québécois

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“The Prime Minister travels the world and signs trade deals that affect Quebec, but he leaves Quebec's premier out of the talks. He has time for parties and meetings. He should be able to find one hour in his schedule to answer questions at our committee.”
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Mr. Speaker, we have a Prime Minister who has plenty of time to have plenty of meetings in many places around the world. He is even meeting with the European Union soon, and he will try to sign trade agreements on things that are the responsibility of Quebec. They will be implemented in Quebec, yet the Premier of Quebec, who represents the Quebec government, is only invited to a cocktail party. If the Prime Minister has time for cocktails and if he has time for meetings, then why can he not find the time to come to the parliamentary committee and show some deference to the parliamentary system? I know he has ministers. I know he has people around him. Some people think he has a good team. That is an opinion, and it needs to be confirmed. Nonetheless, why is it that, in this time of crisis, in this time of great transformation, the Prime Minister is able to find 15% to cut from the public service, but is unable to find a mere 15% to cut from his daily schedule in order to free up time to appear before a parliamentary committee for just one hour and show the deference he is expected to show toward the parliamentary system?

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“Ministers and parliamentary secretaries already go to committees to answer questions. Opposition members can also talk directly to the Prime Minister before question period. The government is already open and accountable enough without forcing the Prime Minister to appear at committee.”
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Mr. Speaker, I think that members, at times, undervalue the important role that ministers of government play. We have ministers who go to standing committees. We have parliamentary secretaries who are at standing committees. There is an opportunity in opposition. I sit just two seats behind the Prime Minister. I constantly see members from the opposition go up to the Prime Minister prior to question period when he is here, whether it is Bloc members or other opposition members. An hon. member: When he is here. Hon. Kevin Lamoureux: Mr. Speaker, I suspect everyone is absent from the House at times, but the point is that there is ample opportunity. I think members opposite should recognize that we do have a cabinet and we do have parliamentary secretaries, so there is ample opportunity to ensure there is accountability.

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe, Lac-Saint-Jean

Bloc Québécois
“A member pointed out that the Prime Minister is not here. Our rules say we cannot talk about someone's absence, even if it is true.”
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. One of my colleagues just referred to the Prime Minister’s absence from the chamber. We are not allowed to mention the Prime Minister’s absence from the chamber, even if it is true.

Jennifer McKelvie, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Housing and Infrastructure

Liberal
“Our government is spending money to make Canada stronger. I want the member to explain which of these investments are most important to the country and to his province.”
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Mr. Speaker, the member spoke about the proactive approach of our government, so I was just hoping that he could really elaborate on what it is that excites him the most about the investments that are being made. It is important that we are investing in ourselves right now so we can build Canada strong. I would really like to know what he has found to be the most important investments, not only for the country but also for his home province.

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“I support our government's investments across Canada. We are working with Indigenous people and provinces on big projects in every region. In Manitoba, these investments help our aerospace industry and the Port of Churchill.”
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Mr. Speaker, for me, I have always perceived myself to be a nationalist, first and foremost. I love the fact that the government’s approach has been to ensure that every region of our nation is getting major projects. We are working with indigenous people and provinces to make sure that every region is going to benefit from major projects and investments. For me, in terms of my home province of Manitoba, of course, I am somewhat partial to that. I love the attention that is being given to our aerospace industry through investments in the Canadian Forces. I love the idea that Port of Churchill, for the first time, is being talked about as a viable port into the future. I like the idea that we are working so collaboratively with Wab Kinew as a premier, as well as the other premiers, in building a stronger and healthier nation for all.

Elizabeth May, Saanich—Gulf Islands

Green
“Big promises from bankers about climate investing have produced nothing. Meanwhile, Canada has 800 billion dollars in its pension fund that the law says can only be invested for the highest return. I want the government to change this law so our pension money can go to local projects like schools and hospitals instead.”
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Mr. Speaker, I did, of course, notice the investment summit to which my hon. friend, the parliamentary secretary referred, and it is with a sense of déjà vu. The hon. member was not at the Glasgow climate negotiation in 2022, where the Prime Minister was basically the star of the show because he was the special climate envoy for climate finance to the UN Secretary-General. He announced the Glasgow Financial Alliance for Net Zero, which he pegged at $128 trillion of available investment. Now, this may have a familiar ring to some of us here. Nothing is quite as ephemeral as bankers’ non-binding promises, so that $128 trillion announced as GFANS, as they actually made it an acronym instead of a website, is all that is left of it. The only thing that was net zero was the actual investment that emerged from the $128 trillion. Now, the question I have for my hon. colleague is a precise question: Why will the government not amend the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board Act? We have real dollars, $800 billion of Canadian pension plan dollars, that right now, by law, can only be used and invested where it gets the best return on investment. To my hon. friend for Winnipeg North, I, in retirement, would like to look down the road at my investment in a local school or a local hospital and not where it went, that $200 million, because the investment board decided it would make more money in Grok developing AI and deepfakes.

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“The investment summit in Toronto was a success. It brought together provinces, Indigenous people, and global investors, with the potential for half a trillion dollars in investment. I believe billions of dollars will come to Canada because of it.”
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Mr. Speaker, I think I will save the CPP issue for another day. I am going to provide a comment on the Toronto summit. The Canada investment summit attracted the potential for a half trillion dollars of investment. To give the member opposite a sense of the excitement that was created around this summit, we had the premier of Manitoba there, Wab Kinew. He said that, if somebody wanted to invest in the Port of Churchill, Manitoba would exempt them from paying provincial sales tax. I think there is a wide expectation because this is not just the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister might have been the one who brought everyone to the table, but we have provincial jurisdictions, indigenous people and investors from around the world. I believe there will be billions of dollars of investment as a direct result of that particular summit. It is only a question of time, and I am glad to see that we had so much take-up, in particular from provincial governments.

Jeremy Patzer, Swift Current—Grasslands—Kindersley

Conservative
“The Liberals only reached the 2% defence goal by counting Coast Guard spending as military spending, without actually giving our military what it needs. At the same time, tax revenues grew from $284 billion in 2020 to $417 billion, while deficits head toward $80 billion a year. Canadians have nothing to show for all this money except more people needing food banks.”
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Mr. Speaker, Canadians know that the Liberals just changed the math around a bit to make it work with their 2% commitment, such as making the Canadian Coast Guard fall under national defence so they could take credit for the money being spent on the Coast Guard. They did not actually, truly or properly reach that 2% by providing our military with the things that it needs. What I want to double down on here is that the Prime Minister became Justin Trudeau’s adviser in 2020. Again, tax revenue for the government was $284 billion. When the current Prime Minister was advising the former prime minister, it went all the way up to $417 billion. I know that number is going to continue climbing. At the same time, the government is blowing past a balanced budget. It is on a path to keep it going up to around $80 billion a year. At one point, it was projected to be sustained at $63 billion a year. The PBO said that. Canadians are still wondering what they got for this, other than more people at the food bank.

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“Both Justin Trudeau and Stephen Harper asked the Prime Minister for advice because of his economic experience. Over the last 18 months, our government has done good work on affordability, the military, investments, and major projects. Canadians can see through the Conservatives' political games.”
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Mr. Speaker, I think it is important to recognize that the member wants to talk about Justin Trudeau, and I would talk equally about Stephen Harper. Both of those former prime ministers saw the merit of seeking the advice of our current leader of the Liberal Party, today’s Prime Minister. I see nothing wrong with seeking advice. I see that as a positive. I can assure the member opposite that there are many people who sought the advice of today’s leader of the Liberal Party, the Prime Minister of Canada. I suspect that it has a lot to do with his economic credentials. At the end of the day, if we were to be judged on the last 18 months, whether on issues of affordability, the Canadian Forces, investments in Canada or major projects, I believe Canadians would see through the Conservative games.

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