Strong and Free Elections Act

Bill C-25, Strong and Free Elections Act · Time allocation motion · now law Where it stands

The House debated a government motion to limit further debate on Bill C-25, the Strong and Free Elections Act, to five more hours at third reading before a vote. The bill would amend the Canada Elections Act, adding new prohibitions including on foreign interference, bribery, false statements about elections, and misuse of computers, tightening rules on political contributions and personal information protection, and increasing penalties and enforcement powers for the Commissioner of Canada Elections. The Liberal House leader said parties had worked together extensively on the bill and that it would likely pass with broad support, while Conservatives objected to cutting off debate on an elections bill, saying it affects all voters and the government had time all year to schedule it. A Bloc Québécois member also raised riding redistribution with the minister, questioning how to balance equal voting power against keeping very large rural ridings manageable, and asking whether more seats could be added; the minister pointed to existing seat-protection measures for Quebec and the principle of votes of roughly equal weight. Some time went to tributes, condolences, and personal remarks unrelated to the bill.Written by AI from the debate. Updated .

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Steven MacKinnon, Minister of Transport and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“I move that we debate this election bill for only five more hours, and then vote on it right away.”
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moved: That in relation to Bill C-25, An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act and to enact An Act to change the names of certain electoral districts, 2026, not more than five further hours shall be allotted to the consideration at third reading stage of the said bill; and That, at the expiry of the five hours provided consideration at third reading stage of the said Bill, any proceedings before the House shall be interrupted, if required for the purpose of this Order, and in turn every question necessary for the disposal of the said stage of the Bill then under consideration shall be put forthwith and successively without further debate or amendment.

Mel Arnold, Kamloops—Shuswap—Central Rockies

Conservative
“I oppose the government cutting debate short on this bill. The Liberals are behind on their schedule, and they are not letting us do our job of debating bills for Canadians.”
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Mr. Speaker, after 11 summers in the House, it is interesting to see what happens, typically, every year in June, under this government. The Liberals cannot manage their agenda throughout the entire year, so they fall so far behind. They have put us on late-night hours, where we are sitting until midnight, and even then they have to cut debate short with these time allocation motions because they cannot handle the fact that we are here to debate on behalf of Canadians who have sent us to this place to debate the government bills and to make sure they are the best they can possibly be. I strongly oppose the time allocation motion, which will shut down debate once again, just as the Liberals have been doing in committees any time we try to hold them accountable for their failed attempts at governing this country.

Steven MacKinnon, Minister of Transport and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“We are here to work for Canadians. The member voted to work late until midnight, but three hours later he voted to end the day early. That makes no sense.”
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Mr. Speaker, l first want to say to my hon. friend, in the spirit of the season, that I can well understand why anyone with the very evocative riding name of Kamloops—Shuswap—Central Rockies would be very anxious and excited to return to that place. It sounds like an amazing place, and I hope to visit the member someday. However, in the meantime, we are here to work. The member, perhaps, did not hear my earlier answer to his deputy House leader, where I expressed my real surprise. Yes, indeed, we are asking members of Parliament to work a little harder so that we can get the job done for Canadians, but that member voted to extend the hours until midnight. He was for that. Three hours later, he voted to adjourn the House. We did not quite understand that. That sounded like a contradiction.

Alexis Deschênes, Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj

Bloc Québécois
“I want to ask the minister about a bill Quebec passed yesterday to protect certain voting districts.”
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Mr. Speaker, I am going to take advantage of the fact that the minister responsible for democratic institutions is here to get his perspective on something that happened in the National Assembly. Yesterday, they passed a bill to protect certain electoral districts. As we are well aware, each time a redistribution happens, we try to reconcile—

Alexis Deschênes, Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj

Bloc Québécois
“Quebec passed a law to protect some ridings from becoming too big. When ridings get redrawn, we have to balance having equal numbers of voters with keeping ridings small enough to manage. My riding is huge, and some are even bigger. What should we do to balance these two things better?”
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Mr. Speaker, yesterday, the National Assembly of Quebec passed a law to protect certain ridings in my region, the Gaspé Peninsula, as well as one in Montreal. With every electoral redistribution exercise comes tension between, on the one hand, population growth and the need to ensure that each vote carries similar relative weight, and, on the other hand, the importance of ensuring that ridings do not become too large. The Quebec National Assembly chose to protect certain ridings. Similar situations exist at the federal level. My riding, Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj, now covers 23,000 square kilometres. That is larger than the area of Djibouti. Several of my colleagues have even larger ridings. What does my colleague think we can do to better balance these two requirements?

Steven MacKinnon, Minister of Transport and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“I respect the member for representing a very large rural area. Still, in our democracy, every person's vote must carry equal weight, no matter where they live.”
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Mr. Speaker, I want to repeat to the member for Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj that he too must be looking forward to returning to his riding. He does indeed represent a very large riding. I admire all members, all elected officials, who drive long distances, often very late, and in all kinds of conditions, including winter conditions. It is obviously very challenging to represent people who are spread across a vast area and who, in his case, are separated by the Gulf of St. Lawrence. I really commend my colleague for that. That said, in a democracy, we must do everything in our power to ensure that every vote carries equal weight, whether it is cast in Montreal or in Percé. We always try to respect that fundamental principle, one that is actually recognized by the Supreme Court of Canada.

David Bexte, Bow River

Conservative
“The government had all year to pass this bill, but now it is cutting off debate. This bill is not controversial and could have passed normally. I want the government to explain how ending debate helps transparency.”
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Mr. Speaker, I would like to express that this is my first full year in the House, and I find it a bit disappointing, in fact a lot disappointing, that the government had all year to get this work done, yet it is imposing closure. A bill such as this, which arguably does not have a lot of controversy attached to it, would have been very easy to pass with the process that we had allowed, yet we have these games from the Liberal government. We are here to work as long as possible to make sure that we shine the light of transparency onto everything the government is doing, and I really would appreciate a comment from the government as to how transparency is served by closure.

Steven MacKinnon, Minister of Transport and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“The Conservatives are trying to delay this election bill. Even so, parties in this House have worked well together to agree on the new election rules.”
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Mr. Speaker, I can only imagine how beautiful the panorama of the Bow River is this time of year. The member has only been here for a year. I have been here 11 years and have witnessed the very imaginative ways the Conservatives conceive of to delay, stall and otherwise obstruct the passage of legislation, even, as the member points out, legislation as non-controversial and consensual as this bill is. I do want to take a moment to express my appreciation, in terms of the development of this bill, for the co-operation that I have received from all parts of this House. It is a signal testament to this country that, at the very minimum, we can all agree on the rules of the game and change the Elections Act without rancour.

Alexis Deschênes, Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj

Bloc Québécois
“Quebec added more seats to its legislature so ridings would not be too big and voters could stay connected to their politicians. Would you consider doing the same for federal ridings?”
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Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank my colleague for his kind words about Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine, which is an absolutely wonderful place. I would like to ask him another question. The action that the Quebec National Assembly took to reconcile these two principles, or in other words to guarantee equality of voting power and ensure that the ridings are not too big, led to an increased number of MNAs. The number of members of the Quebec National Assembly is going to increase from 125 to 127. Is my colleague prepared to consider that type of solution to ensure that federal ridings remain manageable in size so that citizens truly have access to their MP?

Steven MacKinnon, Minister of Transport and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“Voting districts can vary in size and population. But in a democracy, we must make sure every person's vote has roughly the same power.”
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Mr. Speaker, that is a very important principle, particularly for those of us who like to be close to our constituents. It is clear that the Supreme Court of Canada ruling that I mentioned allows for some variation in the populations of ridings, as well as in terms of distances and riding size. However, in a democracy, we need to ensure that one vote carries roughly the same weight as another vote cast elsewhere. It is a matter of finding the right balance. I think the members of the Quebec National Assembly also recognize that they have merely identified a problem, not solved one. They reached a compromise. I do not have much to say about the action that the Quebec National Assembly is taking, other than to note that it is very important in a democracy for every vote to carry roughly the same weight.

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“The Conservatives are wasting time and blocking important bills by changing their minds about when we work. I want the House leader to explain why we need to keep working and pass laws for Canadians.”
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Mr. Speaker, I want to go back to the minister’s response to the Thursday question, because I think it is important for Canadians who watch the debates to see the games that the Conservatives play on an ongoing basis, whether by obstructing, by wasting time or by sending conflicting messages. A good example of that is what the House leader made reference to. One day, the Conservatives said, “Yes, we want to sit late”, but later the same day, they proposed that we adjourn in the early evening. The following day, there were two adjournment motions on Bill C-16, which is important crime legislation for protecting Canadian victims and making our communities safer. The Conservatives again, and not once but twice, moved adjournment. It seems to me that this is nothing but a game to the Conservatives to try to prevent legislation from passing. Can the House leader provide his thoughts on why it is so important that we deliver for Canadians?

Steven MacKinnon, Minister of Transport and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal

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“We have many important crime bills to pass to protect children and victims. The opposition has delayed our work all session. They even voted against working longer hours to get things done.”
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Mr. Speaker, as you know, we have a very ambitious agenda. You have been in the chair for much of it. We have a very wide-ranging series of crime bills, including the bill that my hon. friend just mentioned on protecting victims, protecting children and warning against child pornography. These are very important measures. To go back to the question from my friend from Bow River, all this work culminates at the end of a session. Of course the government wants to move forward on things that have been debated, and in fact obstructed, in many creative ways throughout the session. That is what we are doing currently. To have the opposition vote, three hours later, against its very solemn vote to prolong the hours of the House so we could work harder and get more done for Canadians was intriguing, to say the least.

Andrew Lawton, Elgin—St. Thomas—London South

Conservative
“The government is trying to stop debate on this election bill too quickly. This bill affects our democracy and every voter we represent. We are ready to work as long as it takes to debate it properly.”
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Mr. Speaker, my Conservative colleagues and I have zero issue with putting in the work and putting in the hours. We will work on weekends. We will work during the summer. We will do whatever we can to support Canadians. The problem we have is that the bill is about elections. All 343 members of the chamber would be affected. All the millions of people whom we collectively represent would be affected. It is a bill about the nature of democracy. The Liberals have allowed, I believe, two members to speak to the bill about the most fundamental institution in a democratic country, and now they are trying to shut down debate. They are trying to silence members of Parliament who may have a lot of things to offer about this. This is perhaps not surprising, given the way the Prime Minister has decided to try to circumvent Parliament, circumvent the House of Commons and not rise during question period. Is the member the House leader because he shares the Prime Minister’s contempt for Parliament?

Steven MacKinnon, Minister of Transport and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“The parties have worked together for many hours to improve this elections bill. I expect a strong majority of us will vote for it. Canadians need to see that we can agree on the rules for our elections.”
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Mr. Speaker, the member is perhaps unaware of the very constructive, long hours, and Canadians should know that in this place, a lot of work goes on behind the scenes. Sometimes parties do not find it to their interest to let on that they are co-operating with other parties. I would put to the member that in the case of Bill C-25, we have worked very hard, the Bloc Québécois and the Conservatives. I want to commend once again his colleague from St. Albert—Sturgeon River for his very hard work on this and for his very constructive suggestions. The bill has been the subject of much co-operation and of long committee meetings. Indeed, we will come to, I suspect, a very strong majority of parliamentarians voting for the bill. I think it is very important that Canadians see, at the very minimum, that parliamentarians, the House of Commons, can agree on the rules of the game.

Alexis Deschênes, Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj

Bloc Québécois
“I want to know if the member is open to adding more ridings so they do not get too big.”
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Mr. Speaker, I have a follow-up question for my colleague. I really enjoyed his answer, and we read the same Supreme Court decision. My question is this: Is he ready to consider increasing the number of federal ridings to ensure that they retain their human scale?

Steven MacKinnon, Minister of Transport and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“We already voted to keep Quebec at 78 seats. The law allows us to add more seats as the population grows. We will need to debate whether we have enough members of Parliament.”
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Mr. Speaker, as the member knows, we voted during the last Parliament to protect the number of seats in Quebec and keep the number of Quebec electoral ridings at 78. Parliament has therefore taken concrete measures to ensure Quebec’s representation. Unless I am mistaken, the Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act contains a formula that provides for increasing the number of seats after each census and after each redistribution. Obviously, we will need a day to debate whether a sufficient number of parliamentarians has been reached. Seats will then have to be redistributed, but that raises a good question and it will certainly have to be debated.

William Stevenson, Yellowhead

Conservative
“My riding is huge, and MPs in Alberta represent far more people on average than MPs in other provinces. I want the government to redraw riding boundaries more often than every 10 years so votes can be equal.”
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Mr. Speaker, the hon. member brought up riding size as an issue. He said that his riding is about 20,000 square kilometres. Mine is 83,600 square kilometres, so I feel that it is an even worse situation. The hon. member said he wanted all the votes to be equal. Would he endeavour to have the review a little more often? I know that in Alberta, we each represent 115,000 people on average, far more than members in some of the other provinces do. Would the Liberals consider shortening the time for the review rather than having it every 10 years?

Steven MacKinnon, Minister of Transport and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“Our voting ridings are divided fairly. Large rural ridings can be hard to represent, but every person's vote should have equal power.”
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Mr. Speaker, as the member may know, there is a law in place that establishes the number of seats, how they are distributed and so on. I think he said there are about 115,000 people in his riding, which is about the same number as in my own riding of Gatineau. For the most part, I think that with respect to ridings, other than the constitutional obligations we have at the founding of the country, we have achieved a very good balance and a very good way of dividing constituencies. That, of course, means that Yellowhead is a very large riding because of its vast, beautiful spaces, with people distributed all around the territory. That is, of course, a challenge for anyone who seeks to represent that incredible part of our country, but it is one we need to continue to address by following the Supreme Court’s guidance that, while we should deviate a little bit, one vote in one place should equal what one vote in another place is worth.

Yves Perron, Berthier—Maskinongé

Bloc Québécois
“I share the sadness expressed today for the police officers who were killed in Ontario. I also want to congratulate my friend Normand Branchaud, who has been a musician for 60 years. I want to ask my colleague if music is an important part of his life.”
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Mr. Speaker, before I begin, I want to note that the Bloc Québécois members share all the sentiments that have been expressed today regarding the police officers who lost their lives in Ontario. I think that is important. I also want to acknowledge my dear friend Normand Branchaud, who is celebrating 60 years as a musician this weekend. He is an extraordinary individual who bought his first harmonica with three and a half dollars that he earned by running errands. I congratulate him. I have a question for my colleague. Is music a big part of his life?

Steven MacKinnon, Minister of Transport and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“I invite Mr. Branchaud to perform at a festival in Gatineau this summer and wish him a happy anniversary. I love music and would be glad to talk about it with the member.”
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Mr. Speaker, first, I would like to invite Mr. Branchaud to come to Gatineau to entertain us at one of our many festivals this summer, including the hot air balloon festival. I want to wish Mr. Branchaud a happy anniversary. I would love to hear him play someday. Music is an essential part of my life. Whether we are talking about Québécois music, francophone music or music in general, I am a big fan of music, and I would be happy to talk about it with the Bloc Québécois whip at some point.

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