Canadian Fuel Affordability Act

Bill C-38, Canadian Fuel Affordability Act · Report stage · now law Where it stands

What the law does

The law extends the temporary suspension of the federal fuel excise tax until January 31, 2027. Between February 1, 2027, and March 31, 2027, excise tax rates on fuels are set at 50% of their regular rates.

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Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“Some Conservatives say they want to get rid of the fuel tax forever. This member says they only want to pause it until July. What is the Conservative Party's real plan?”
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Mr. Speaker, some Conservative MPs are saying that they want to get rid of the excise tax permanently, whereas this particular member says it is a suspension until maybe July 1. What is the Conservative Party’s actual position? Does it want to permanently get rid of the excise tax, or is it talking about a suspension?

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“Conservatives keep saying different things about the gas tax. Some want to get rid of it forever, while others only want to pause it. I want the member to clarify his party's position. Does he want to get rid of this tax forever, and what other taxes does he want to cut?”
Official Hansard

Madam Speaker, it has been interesting as I watch Conservatives stand up. Some will say that they want to get rid of the excise tax on gas permanently. Others will say we should maybe not get rid of it permanently but instead maybe get rid of it until Canada Day. Many of them will say to just get rid of whatever tax we can. I am wondering if the member could provide his thoughts, first, on what the Conservative Party’s position is on the excise tax. Do they want to get rid of it permanently? Second, are there some other taxes they want to abolish that the member should share with the House tonight?

John-Paul Danko, Hamilton West—Ancaster—Dundas

Liberal
“Our government has cut taxes and lowered costs for people. We cut middle-class taxes, removed the carbon tax on fuel, funded cheaper child care, and offered rebates for electric cars and groceries. I am glad the member opposite supports pausing the fuel tax. I want to know why he will not support our other cost-saving measures too.”
Official Hansard

Madam Speaker, the government has implemented several cost-saving measures, such as the groceries and essentials rebate and middle-class tax cuts. We have eliminated the consumer carbon tax on fuel. That is about 10¢ a litre right there. There is the federal child care program. We are also incentivizing more affordable transportation methods such as EV rebates, $5,000 for a battery electric and $2,500 for a plug-in hybrid. I am glad to hear that the member opposite will be voting in support of the temporary suspension of the excise tax. Why not support all these tax-saving measures?

Carlos Leitão, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry

Liberal
“I agree that fuel prices are very high. But will the member agree that this is caused by wars outside Canada, like the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East?”
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Madam Speaker, I simply want to tell my colleague that the price of fuel is indeed very high. We agree on that. However, would my colleague agree that the cause of this significant rise in fuel prices extends far beyond Canada’s borders and is the result of the war in Ukraine and the war in the Middle East?

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“I want the House to pass this bill to keep pausing the fuel tax. Conservatives did not come up with this idea. Our government has always worked to make life more affordable, just like when we cut taxes, helped with groceries, and set up food for school kids.”
Official Hansard

Madam Speaker, I want to start off by answering a question that was thrown from across the way in the form of a heckle. The Conservatives were asking why we did it, trying to imply it was the Conservative Party that ultimately led the government of the day to bring forward Bill C-38. I would like to share with the House my interpretation of why we are here today debating Bill C-38. All we have to do is take a look at what took place in the last federal election. We had a Prime Minister who worked extensively with candidates and, through that, came up with a policy position that dealt with an issue that was close to his heart: the issue of affordability. The Prime Minister made this very clear when he became the leader of the Liberal Party, and thereby the Prime Minister of Canada, when the first decision he made was to get rid of the carbon tax. He believed it was important to give that tax break to Canadians. That was 17¢ a litre, and even more for diesel. I believe that from day one to today, we have seen a Prime Minister who is committed to the issue of affordability and making life more affordable for Canadians as much as possible. It is as simple as that. Today, the Conservatives talk about the tax break on gasoline, saying it is their idea. If that makes them sleep better at night, they should go ahead, but I can tell the House that after the last provincial election, Wab Kinew did the same thing. He got rid of the tax on gas, the excise tax, to give Manitobans a break on the price of gas, dealing with the issue of affordability. I guess the Conservatives might have borrowed or stolen the idea from Wab Kinew, a New Democrat premier. I say that because I truly believe and can promise every member opposite that the Prime Minister and all Liberal members of Parliament understand the issue of affordability. This is one of the reasons we are not only suggesting that we need to pass Bill C-38, but why we have seen many initiatives, with the leadership of this Prime Minister, being brought forward to support Canadians at a time when we believe it is necessary. Affordability is an issue that goes even beyond Canadian borders. Not all governments are actually taking the types of actions this government has taken. I would suggest that individuals who are following the debate tonight, in particular my Conservative friends across the way, take a look at the broader picture and take a look at the types of actions this government has actually taken since the last federal election. If we stick strictly to the issue of affordability, it takes place in many different ways and I would like to refer to a few of those ways. We can talk about the fuel excise tax suspension that was put into place during our spring economic update, which provided tax relief. Then, as we approached Labour Day weekend, it was decided that we would once again extend that suspension. We were looking at a number of factors when the decision was ultimately made that it would be in the best interests of all of us to extend that suspension. That is, in fact, what Bill C-38 would do. It would put money in the pockets of Canadians because of the price of gas, something that no one inside this chamber actually controls. None of us controls the world price on gas. It is not like we can click our heels and the war in the Middle East or in Europe will come to an end. These are things that are having a profound impact on the world price of oil. We do not know when they are going to come to an end. We do not know how the price is going to be impacted over the coming months, yet I have seen some Conservative MPs, in a very irresponsible way, stand up to say they are going to abolish it completely, forever. That is what they imply in their comments. Then there are some Conservative MPs who say they would suspend it until Canada Day. They are developing policy on the fly. There is no consistent plan coming out of the Conservative Party. There is no change coming from the leadership and actions that we witness by members of the Conservative Party. It is unfortunate, because I believe that Canadians were very clear in the last federal election. They saw a detailed Liberal election commitment or platform, and Bill C-38, the bill we are debating this evening, is one piece of legislation that reflects what we told Canadians we would do. We could take a look at other measures that have taken place. I could talk about an initiative that took place after getting rid of the carbon tax. It was a tax break for 22 million Canadians. More than 22 million Canadians benefited from a reduction of, I believe, 13% to 14%. It was a significant amount of money. A significant number of Canadians directly benefited from that particular program. One of the issues recognized by the Liberal caucus was grocery prices. That is why we came up with the Canada groceries benefit program. We converted the GST rebate program by enhancing it greatly and providing one-time support to form a new program that helps millions of Canadians, especially those in the lower- to middle-class group. It puts more money in the pockets of millions. One of the programs the Prime Minister made a commitment to make permanent is a program that I thought everyone inside this chamber would have gotten behind. It is the national school program, which puts food into our schools, to the benefit of 400,000 children in every region of our nation. We listened to what the Conservatives said about that and affordability. I think it went beyond affordability, quite frankly. Despite the benefits of that program, think about what the Conservatives said. We had eight Conservative members say it is a garbage program. We had others say it was not delivering food, that no food was being delivered in our school programs, even though every member has schools that are benefiting directly from that program. Even to this day, Conservatives give the impression and state that they are going to get rid of that particular program. Before I leave that, I want to remind members, as I have done in the past, about Sharon Carstairs, who was the leader of the Liberal Party back in 1988, elected to the Manitoba legislature. That is when I was first elected to the Manitoba legislature. She talked about children not being able to learn on an empty stomach, and that was back in 1988. It is a generational problem. It does not just deal with the issue of affordability. The Prime Minister understood that and has made it a permanent program. Not only does it help with the issue of affordability in a very real and tangible way, but it helps tens of thousands of children while they go to school. In total, it helps 400,000 children. Another program that we continue to support is the dental care program. Imagine the thousands of seniors benefiting. It is amazing that a Conservative member will stand in their place and say that we are not giving enough to seniors, yet they vote against and would take away the dental program. Who do they think is one of the major beneficiaries of the dental program? It is the seniors on fixed incomes across Canada, in every region of our nation. By having a program of this nature, we are seeing more seniors getting dental work done, which is so very important. If they did not get it done, they would end up in our hospitals to get the dental work done. It would happen far too often. For those using the program, it helps on the issue of affordability. I think of the break the government, led by the Prime Minister, gave in regard to the purchase of a first home, exempting the GST. Let us think about that. There are two real benefits, I would argue, to that particular program. First, the individual purchasing a home is saving literally thousands of dollars. It makes it more affordable. As an aside, the cost of homes in general has been going down in many regions of our country. The first-time homebuyer program that exempts the GST on, I believe, homes under $1 million is saving a massive amount of money for a lot of Canadians. That is one benefit through the program. Another benefit is that it increases Canada’s housing stock. Increasing Canada’s housing stock is a good thing that leads to more Canadian lumber being used, more Canadian steel being used and more Canadians working to build. That has been a common theme for this Prime Minister, this government and every Liberal member of Parliament. We are looking at not only indirect benefits, like giving money through tax breaks and providing programs like the dental program and the school food program, but also indirect benefits. Let us think about jobs. Jobs matter. We hear from the Conservatives that in X month jobs went down, in Y month jobs went down and in Z month jobs went down. However, it is important to look at the net number of jobs since we have had our new Prime Minister. It is tens of thousands of jobs. It is over 150,000 net new jobs. This is at a time when we are being challenged by trade and tariff issues from Trump, the President of the United States, not to mention the pressures coming outside of that. At the same time as that has been going on, we have been able to increase the number of net jobs in Canada. Arguably, on a per capita basis, we are doing better than the United States. The Conservatives often talk about the issue of youth unemployment, saying that youth unemployment is high. I agree that it is high. It is not as high as it was back in 2012 when Stephen Harper was the prime minister and the leader of the Conservative Party sat around the cabinet table. It was over 14% back in 2012, compared to last year, when we had just under 14%. It is not just about recognizing the stats. It is about looking at what the government is doing to support our young people by ensuring they can get jobs. I said that there have been 150,000-plus new jobs created in Canada since the new Prime Minister was elected with a new Liberal government. On indirectly creating jobs for young people, we can take a look at the Red Seal program. The Red Seal program, with the certification of it, is an incredible program, and the biggest beneficiaries are the young people of Canada. We are investing in that program to the extent that between 80,000 and 100,000 people will enter the program over the next number of years. They are being supported in a very real and tangible way in the form of a $5,000 grant upon completion, thereby making things like it more affordable. Unlike what Stephen Harper would have done back in the day when he had higher youth unemployment and the Conservatives cut the summer youth program, this government continues to reinforce and support the Canada summer youth program, which often provides Canadians a first job. It often gives them experience. It often gives them the referrals and opportunity to grow and get jobs. What it shows is that the government is very much aware of the issue of affordability and the issue of unemployment, and we continue to push the envelope in growing our economy. On the issue of groceries, I get just as frustrated as most. I want to see more accountability on grocery prices, and we will continue to push for that. I thank the farmers of Canada for the quality product they take out of the fields and barns, and so much more. We not only feed Canadians through our farmers, but also feed the world. As a government, we continue to look at ways in which we can enhance food production here in Canada to become even more sovereign, like promoting, encouraging and supporting things like greenhouses. Imagine more vegetables growing year-round in Canada because of a government initiative. These are the types of actions we have taken in a very short period of time, along with numerous more, but I do not have unlimited time to talk about them. I would love to talk about issues of trade. I would love to be able to talk about issues like building and capital investment funds or a national sovereignty fund. There is so much there because we as a government understand that to build a stronger and healthier Canada, we have to be prepared to invest. We have had budgets invest in Canadians to encourage Canada to continue to be the best country in the world to call home.

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“Our government supports Prairie farmers, while the Conservatives ignored them in the last election. We opened a water agency in Winnipeg and lowered Chinese tariffs on canola. We are also helping farmers sell their food in Asia.”
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Madam Speaker, the government established the water agency in the city of Winnipeg dealing with waste water management through the prairies and beyond. I would remind my friend from Saskatchewan that, if he looks at the Conservative policy book from the last federal election, he will find that there was zero attention from the Conservative Party given to the Prairies or our farmers on the Prairies, in particular in his home province of Saskatchewan. I have talked to some of those canola farmers in the provinces of Saskatchewan or Manitoba to hear what they had to say about having a Prime Minister who was able to move forward and take some steps with respect to reducing the tariffs on canola and making it more feasible to have trade opportunities going into China. The Conservatives mocked the government for doing so, which is somewhat shameful for it to have done. but that has not stopped the government, because we see the benefits of the agri-food markets. That is one of the reasons we are aggressively pursuing trade agreements beyond the Canada-U.S. border, for example, using the agri-food office in Manila for India and Asia as a whole to export agri-food products to Asia. There have been many initiatives brought forward by the government in support of our farmers, and we will continue to work with farmers to do even more.

John-Paul Danko, Hamilton West—Ancaster—Dundas

Liberal
“Our government is making life more affordable by cutting the fuel tax. We are also funding ports, food shipping, and public transit so people and businesses rely less on expensive fuel.”
Official Hansard

Madam Speaker, the hon. member spoke about a number of affordability measures that our government is taking, such as removing the excise tax on fuel as a direct measure, but there are also a number of very indirect measures that are directly improving affordability across Canada, such as the national food strategy, which is making food more available across the country. We are also investing in food distribution terminals; investing in port infrastructure, such as in Hamilton, taking trucks off of the highway so they are not relying on diesel fuel to transport food and other commodities; investing in municipal infrastructure to build better, complete communities; and investing in transit and reducing costs for people living in municipalities across the country, which then removes their reliance on some of those transportation costs and fuel.

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“Canada needs a real food plan. The Conservatives should offer one instead of just asking for tax cuts. The government has programs to help, but the Conservatives keep voting against them.”
Official Hansard

Madam Speaker, the member reminds me of the importance of having an actual food strategy. That is why I found it interesting when the deputy leader of the Conservative Party, who was speaking a number of minutes ago, was talking about the Conservatives’ so-called great opposition day motion. I had a few thoughts on that when it was up for debate. It sure would have been nice to see an opposition day motion that deals with a food strategy. I would love to hear a plan coming from the Conservative Party with respect to what we are doing. My colleague from Hamilton and I have provided an explanation regarding some of the initiatives that, for the most part, the Government of Canada is doing and the Conservatives continue to vote against. There is more to a food strategy than to just keep asking for tax cuts.

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“The answer is no. Conservatives have changed their minds on the carbon tax many times under different leaders. We changed our minds once to help make life more affordable, and our decision to get rid of the carbon tax is permanent.”
Official Hansard

Madam Speaker, no, but this is interesting. There are a dozen-plus career politicians on the Conservative benches. We will find that, I believe, Stephen Harper was in favour of a carbon tax in a different form. Then they had a change in leadership, and the Conservatives were against it. Then Erin O’Toole, a new Conservative leader, came by and said, “I think it’s a good thing”, but the current leader said, “No, we want to get rid of it.” Under the leadership of our Prime Minister on the issue of affordability, we made the decision that it was time to permanently get rid of the carbon tax. Yes, there was a change. We have not changed as much as the Conservative Party has, but I can assure the member that it is permanent.

Carlos Leitão, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry

Liberal
“Our government helps lower-income Canadians with things like the dental care program and pausing the fuel tax. The Conservatives want big tax cuts instead. I want the member to tell us if their plan puts our social programs at risk, and which ones they would cut.”
Official Hansard

Madam Speaker, our colleague mentioned in his speech that there are measures to address the affordability issues, namely Bill C-38, which would suspend the fuel excise tax. He also pointed out that there are other social programs that have been put in place over the past few years to mostly assist Canadians on the lower side of the income scale to be able to meet the demands of everyday life, such as the dental program and so on. I would like my colleague to comment on the fact that, in the so-called affordability program of the opposition, there would be massive tax cuts, which would inevitably have these programs funded some other way. In his opinion, does he think that the social programs we now have in place would be at risk, and if so, which ones would the Conservatives eliminate?

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“The Conservatives only care about cutting taxes. If they get their way, they will cut programs like free school food, dental care, and medicine. Our government also cuts taxes, but we protect the programs people need.”
Official Hansard

Madam Speaker, that is a good question. I think there would be some programs that would instantly be on the chopping block, such as, unfortunately, the national school food program, which helps 400,000 children. The dental care program would be another one on the chopping block. The Conservatives have made that very clear. They have also shown no support for the Canada pharmacare program in dealing with issues like diabetes, which is a very serious thing. There are numerous programs that the government provides to provide support to Canadians. Unfortunately, we do not hear that coming from the Conservative Party, because they are preoccupied with one subject matter, and that is tax cut after tax cut, and they are not even consistent with that. We, too, support tax cuts. Under the Prime Minister , we gave an income tax cut, and 22 million Canadians benefited. The excise tax is a suspension. The carbon tax was permanent.

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“The Prime Minister already cut diesel costs by more than 20 cents a litre permanently through the carbon tax. We also paused the fuel tax. We know diesel is important to our economy.”
Official Hansard

Madam Speaker, the very first action the Prime Minister took was to reduce diesel costs by more than 20¢ a litre, and that was a permanent cut. We are talking about the carbon tax. Then we had the suspension that is currently in place. We understand the importance of diesel in the economy.

John-Paul Danko, Hamilton West—Ancaster—Dundas

Liberal
“Farming is a hard business with a lot of uncertainty. But the Canadian government is not causing the rise in diesel prices. Wars around the world are driving up fuel costs everywhere. I want the member to admit that.”
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Madam Speaker, I appreciate the member opposite’s speech, learning some more about farming in rural Saskatchewan. I found that really interesting, very much acknowledging that agriculture is a very difficult industry with very thin margins and a lot of uncertainty. There is uncertainty in commodity pricing for what is sold, but also uncertainty in inputs and uncertainty in weather. I have a lot of respect for farmers who, day in and day out, find a way to make ends meet and do the job that they care so passionately about. Of course, our government removed the consumer carbon tax, which is a permanent reduction in the cost of fuel. However, I do take issue with the presumption that it is the Government of Canada that is causing the global increase in diesel fuel prices. The United States’ war against Iran and the ongoing war by Russia against Ukraine are primarily the global cause of the increase in diesel pricing in Canada as they are in the United States and around the world. Will the member opposite acknowledge that?

John-Paul Danko, Hamilton West—Ancaster—Dundas

Liberal
“The Conservatives are missing the big picture by only focusing on diesel and trucking costs. Shipping goods by rail or ship costs much less than by truck. Our government is investing in ports and rail to move cargo more cheaply and save Canadians money.”
Official Hansard

Madam Speaker, I am kind of struck that Conservatives often address the issue of the day with this kind of gotcha politics but often miss the big picture. In this case, the member talked a lot about the costs of diesel and trucking, but our government is investing in port infrastructure and in rail infrastructure, because the cost of shipping commodities by rail is half the cost of trucking, and by ship, it is four or five times less. I have some local examples of that. In Hamilton, we are investing in what is called highway H2O, the St. Lawrence Seaway, getting more cargo onto ship traffic and getting trucks off highways. Across the country, we are also investing in rail. Again, I have an example from Hamilton. There is a 50% rebate on steel that is shipped by rail or ship, promoting alternative modes of transportation for cargo other than trucking, which is a real cost savings for Canadians beyond the initial excise tax issue we are talking about right now.

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“Conservatives do not agree on what to do with the fuel tax. Some want to get rid of it forever, and some only want to pause it until Canada Day. I want the member to tell us his own position and his party's position.”
Official Hansard

Madam Speaker, one of the questions I have been asking many of the member’s colleagues concerns trying to get a clear indication of exactly what the Conservative Party of Canada’s policy is. Some members will say they want to get rid of the excise tax permanently, while others have said they would rather have it suspended until Canada Day. Does the member know, number one, what his personal position is, and, number two, what the Conservative Party of Canada’s position is?

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“This bill helps make life more affordable, and I am glad the Conservatives support it. But they voted against free school food for 400,000 children and dental care for seniors. I want to know if the member thinks his party should change its position on those two programs.”
Official Hansard

Madam Speaker, Bill C-38 is all about the issue of affordability. I am glad the Conservatives are supporting it. As to the question I have for the member, there are other affordability measures the government has taken over the last year or so. I want to make reference to two of them. One is the school food program, which feeds 400,000 children. The Conservatives are voting against it, and they say that they would get rid of it. I will also make reference to the dental care program, which is serving thousands of seniors in particular who are on fixed income. Many of the people who would be affected by the Conservatives saying no to those two programs are represented by the member in his own riding. Does he believe the Conservative Party should revisit how its members voted on those two public programs, given the importance of affordability?

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“Seniors and children in the member's riding use our dental and school food programs. He called them wasteful. I want him to change his mind and support them.”
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Madam Speaker, I made reference to two programs. One is the dental program, which supports many seniors the member opposite represents. I mentioned the school food program, which has a direct impact on many of the children the member represents. His response was that it was wasteful spending. Does the member not recognize that there are children and seniors in his constituency who use those two programs? Is he sure that it is wasteful spending? Would he not reverse his position and support those two programs?

John-Paul Danko, Hamilton West—Ancaster—Dundas

Liberal
“World markets set oil and gas prices, not Canada. I agree we should export more fuel to the United States. Our government has already helped oil and gas production and exports reach record levels. Will the member admit our energy policy is heading in the right direction?”
Official Hansard

Madam Speaker, I listened to the member opposite’s comments, and he did hit on a few key points that are relevant. At the same time, they were mixed in with a bunch of misinformation and rhetoric. First of all is the fact that fuel, oil and gas, is set at a global commodity pricing, so Canadian production is priced at a global scale. Second, he talked about the disruptions in the fuel market, such as global diesel shortages; Iran, Ukraine and Venezuela; and that the U.S. is “searching for diesel in all the wrong places.” I completely agree with the member opposite that Canada should be increasing those exports to the U.S. to increase North American diesel opportunities. However, I will note that oil and gas exports and production have been at record levels and have been supported by this government. Would the member opposite acknowledge that we are going in the right direction and there are more opportunities in the North American energy sector?

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“I am glad the Conservatives support our bill to pause the fuel tax. But why do they oppose our programs that give dental care to seniors and food to kids at school?”
Official Hansard

Madam Speaker, I am glad the Conservatives are, in fact, voting for Bill C-38. We could talk at length about some of the differences in policies with respect to the excise tax on gas. The bottom line is, much like the province of Manitoba a number of years ago, the federal government has also decided to do it, and the bill gives it the extension. My question for the member is this: Even though we are working together to pass this legislation, why does the Conservative Party not support our seniors on fixed incomes regarding our dental program or our children who are receiving food in our national school program, both of which are absolutely essential? It is generational change that was required and we have provided that generational change. Why do the Conservatives not support it?

John-Paul Danko, Hamilton West—Ancaster—Dundas

Liberal
“I agree that Canada needs to sell oil and gas to new global markets instead of selling it cheap to the United States. We expanded the Trans Mountain pipeline and are increasing our gas exports to help do that. I want the member to share his thoughts on these projects.”
Official Hansard

Madam Speaker, I appreciate the member opposite’s knowledge of the Canadian oil industry. I think he made a couple of fairly poignant good points. Right now, we are seeing record high production of oil and gas in Alberta. I think his main point about diversifying the market and not selling to the United States at a discount and working to sell to the global markets is right on. There is the Trans Mountain pipeline and the expansion that is planned to increase capacity there. Hopefully he will acknowledge that it is in the right direction. There is also the major expansion of liquefied natural gas exports that are going to the west coast to then further diversify that Canadian energy market. I would like his comment on that, please.

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