Business of Supply

The debate focused on government spending, the national debt, and the rising cost of living in relation to Government Orders. The government defended its fiscal policies by citing Canada’s strong AAA credit rating and highlighting investments in affordability measures and essential programs, while opposition members countered that growing debt and interest payments pose risks to social services and are driving up the cost of living. Some members also questioned the government about economic stability given external factors like tariffs and expressed concern over debt warnings issued by credit rating agencies. Consequently, members of the opposition called on the Prime Minister to appear before the Finance Committee to explain his plan for spending and deficit reduction.Written by AI from the debate. Updated .

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Ned Kuruc, Hamilton East—Stoney Creek

Conservative
“I want the Prime Minister to come to committee himself to explain the benefits the Liberals claim they are creating.”
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Mr. Speaker, I listened to my colleague’s 10-minute speech on all the benefits the Liberals believe are going on. What would be the problem with the Prime Minister’s coming to committee and explaining some of those himself?

Jean-Yves Duclos, Québec Centre

Liberal
“The Prime Minister and his ministers are always willing to come to committee, and the member has had many chances to question them. What matters more is that we work together to support the investments our government is making for Canadians.”
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Mr. Speaker, I am glad to hear that the member listened to my attempt to briefly describe what we are doing for Canadians. He has had lots of opportunities, including with his leader, to ask questions to the Prime Minister and his ministers, who are always willing and able to come to committee. What matters even more is that we work together to sustain and support those investments that I highlighted in my short speech.

Mario Beaulieu, La Pointe-de-l'Île

Bloc Québécois
“Canada has a big deficit, but the government gave up tax money by letting American tech giants off the hook. It did this to make Donald Trump happy, but we got nothing back in the fight over tariffs. What does the member think about that?”
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Mr. Speaker, there is indeed a significant deficit. We agree. At the same time, the government has forgone revenue by waiving the digital services tax for U.S. tech giants that threaten our culture and our media. They did that to appease Mr. Trump, but they gained absolutely nothing in the tariff war. What are my colleague’s thoughts on that?

Jean-Yves Duclos, Québec Centre

Liberal
“I agree that we must support our artists, craftspeople, and media groups. Our 2025 budget invests a record amount of money to help them.”
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Mr. Speaker, I commend my colleague for his steadfast commitment to culture in Quebec and across Canada. He is absolutely right to underscore the importance of continued federal support for our artists, artisans and media organizations, including in my own constituency, which has a very rich cultural and artistic scene. I would encourage him to take note of the record investments included in the 2025 budget and of the government’s ongoing commitment to supporting our artists and artisans.

Marianne Dandurand, Compton—Stanstead

Liberal
“My colleague helped create the dental care plan, and it helps families in my riding. I want him to speak more about how important this plan is for families.”
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Mr. Speaker, I listened carefully to the speech by my colleague from Québec Centre, who is always very eloquent. I really appreciate what he said about businesses. I know my colleague works very hard for families. I would even go so far as to say that he was one of the architects of the Canadian dental care plan. He always talks about it with so much pride. I think we should be the ones thanking him on behalf of families. I would like to extend my heartfelt thanks to him on behalf of the families in my riding for putting this exceptional program in place. I wonder if he could talk a little more about the importance of the Canadian dental care plan for families like the ones in Compton—Stanstead and Québec Centre.

Jean-Yves Duclos, Québec Centre

Liberal
“Our dental care plan is working well. About 98% of dentists now take part in it. It helps thousands of young people and seniors who cannot afford dental care and do not have insurance. Without it, their tooth problems would get worse and send them to emergency rooms. We need to keep supporting this plan and telling people about it.”
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I thank my colleague, whose generosity, kindness and insight are always on full display, for raising the Canadian dental care plan. The reason it is not talked about that much is that it is doing so well. Contrary to the expectations of some members on the other side of the House, roughly 98% of dentists are now participating in the plan. When we meet with dentists, as my colleague does all the time, they tell us that they see the importance of oral health every day for the thousands of people who would not otherwise come to see them. These people could suffer from infections or other oral health problems that could spread throughout their body and send them to the emergency room or a family doctor who could do nothing for them. Thousands of people, not just seniors, but also young people, do not have access to dental insurance and cannot afford oral health care either. They are people we must continue to support. We must also continue our efforts to reach them and ensure they are aware of the assistance available to them.

Jim Bélanger, Sudbury East—Manitoulin—Nickel Belt

Conservative
“Government spending is making life more expensive, and the national debt keeps growing. That debt will cost families an extra $6,000 in interest. The government needs to take paying it down seriously.”
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Mr. Speaker, government spending is driving up the cost of living, and the national debt continues to rise. That debt will cost families an extra $6,000 in interest alone. How serious should the government be about tackling that debt?

Jean-Yves Duclos, Québec Centre

Liberal
“We must manage public money well and take care of people. The Conservative leader called school breakfast programs bureaucratic and child care spending wasteful. I want the member to tell us if he agrees with his leader.”
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Mr. Speaker, I believe, as he suggests, that we do need to ensure sound management of public finances. I also believe that we need to take care of people. I know the member across the way is relatively new here, so I would like to welcome him to the House, if somewhat belatedly. He may have heard his leader describe the support provided by breakfast clubs in his own riding as “bureaucratic” or suggest that feeding children is bureaucracy. I would like to know whether the member agrees with him. His leader also said that investing in child care is wasteful. Why is it wasteful? I have never understood why, but I would like to know. I would also like to know whether the member agrees with his leader’s position that investing in affordable, high-quality child care is a waste of money.

Melissa Lantsman, Thornhill

Conservative
“Most Canadian families are spending more money than they make. The government has doubled Canada's debt, and paying the interest on that debt costs billions of dollars that could go to services. I want the House to pass this motion to make the Prime Minister answer questions about this debt at the finance committee.”
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Mr. Speaker, I will be splitting my time with the Leader of the Opposition. I want to set the scene. It is Friday night in a kitchen somewhere in this country. The kids are asleep. A mother sits alone at a table, with a paycheque in one hand and a stack of bills in the other. She lays them out side by side, and she adds them up once. Then she adds them up again, and then a third time. On the third time, the paycheque wins. That kitchen table is in every single riding in this country. No matter who we are or where we come from, we have heard the stories from our own communities. Every morning before the sun comes up, millions of Canadians lace up their boots, kiss their kids goodbye and head out the door to earn that paycheque. It is an overtime shift, a night course, years of training and a sore back at the end of the day. For generations, it meant something simple: If a Canadian worked hard, they could build a better life for their children. For too many families, that promise is very broken in this country. We come here every week with those stories that families tell in our communities. That is what I am going to talk about here today. A recent C.D. Howe Institute report found that 60% of Canadian households now spend more than they bring in. The lowest-income families spend more than double their disposable income, the next group overspends by nearly a third, and the middle-class families in this country, the backbone of what creates our economy, are spending 12% more than they make every single month. For a family with $60,000 in take-home pay, that means it is $7,200 short every single year. Behind those numbers are actual people and their stories. It is the mother at the grocery checkout putting raspberries back because the total came up to more than she expected. It is the dad picking up a second job and missing his son’s games. It is the parent who tells their kids they are not hungry tonight, just so there is enough food on the table. It is the conversation no parent wants to have: “Not this year, sweetheart. Maybe next year.” It is the young couple that wanted to start a family but keeps pushing it back. It is a senior who has worked her whole life but now has to decide between prescriptions and filling the fridge. It is the parent lying awake at two o’clock in the morning doing the math over and over again in their head, hoping it comes out different. These families are not irresponsible. Nobody puts groceries on a credit card for fun. Nobody takes a payday loan to keep the lights on because they like the interest rates. Nobody drains a retirement fund they have been saving for 20 years for the thrill of it. They do it because they have no choice. What does the government tell them? Well, the Prime Minister specifically says that affordability is the best it has been in a decade. How did we get here? Part of the answer is across the aisle. It has been the same people sitting in the same chairs and saying the exact same thing over the last 11 years. The Liberal government has doubled the national debt in that time, adding more debt than all previous governments in Canadian history before it, all of them combined. When Ottawa borrows and spends without restraint, the families I spoke about are the ones paying the bill. They pay it again and again, because debt is not free. It comes with interest. According to the PBO, who was hired by the Liberal government, Ottawa will pay $59 billion in interest on debt this year. That is more than $1 billion every single week. It is more than double what it was five years ago. It is now the fastest-growing expense line in the entire federal budget. Nobody can dispute those facts. Every Canadian has a share in that interest. It is $1,400 a year for every individual, and for a family of four, that is roughly $6,000. By 2030, the PBO projects that it will be $1,900 for every person, which is nearly $8,000 for that same family. That money is enough for a hockey season that a kid did not get. It is a modest camping vacation they keep putting off till next summer. It is a birthday party that is scaled down to cake at the kitchen table because times are tough. Those are the real stories and those are the real impacts of $6,000 a year for a family going to $8,000 a year because of reckless spending. What does the family get for that? The Liberals will stand up today in the House and ask them if they like this or that program, but the fact is they get nothing for the interest they pay on it. They do not get a single hospital bed. They do not get one classroom. They do not get a kilometre of highway. They do not get anything for their military with the interest on that debt. All of that money goes directly to bankers and bondholders, not to the families that are struggling, the mom who put the raspberries back on the shelf, the dad who took on a second shift and will miss his kid’s hockey game, or the senior who just cannot decide what to do next. That money goes straight to bankers and bondholders. The bills keep growing. Every Canadian share of that federal debt is now over $33,000. For a family of four, that is more than $130,000. It is a second mortgage they never asked for. It is a second mortgage they will one day hand to their children. Here is the cruellest part of it: Parents in this country are working themselves to the bone so their kids can have a better life, and the government is sending these same kids the bill. Today, the question is very simple. How does the Prime Minister expect these families to pay that bill? How does he expect them to pay $6,000 more a year or $8,000 more a year? I know there are a lot of people, including him, who do not worry about $6,000 or $8,000, but there are a heck of a lot of families in this country who absolutely do, and they are asking questions. Canadian families are all doing their part. They get up, and they go to work. They stretch every dollar until it squeaks. They sacrifice every single day without complaint. When the money runs out, they sit down at the kitchen table and they face those numbers honestly. Then, they go over and over it again in their heads, trying to make the math work out differently. The Prime Minister should be willing to do the exact same thing. This is why this motion calls on the Prime Minister to appear before the Standing Committee on Finance. It is very simple. It calls for him to not send a minister and not send a list of talking points, but to come himself to the table and answer the questions every single family in this country is asking: How is a mother with a stack of bills supposed to cover $60 billion in interest? How is a young couple supposed to start a family with a $130,000 share of debt hanging over them? How much more does he plan to put on the Liberal credit card before it all comes due? Every family, every person and everybody in the House, at one point in their lives, had to explain their budget to someone, to a bank, to a landlord, sometimes their own kids. The Prime Minister should be able to explain that to every single Canadian taxpayer, and he should be able to do that at a table without getting up in the House and telling those same families that affordability is the best it has ever been and that they have never had it better. I urge every single member of the government to vote for this motion, to vote for accountability. They have asked for the trust of the public, and they owe something in that trust relationship. The public is asking questions about how it is going to pay its fair share of that debt, and the Prime Minister ought to come to committee and answer those questions. It is not a difficult motion, and I hope members vote yes.

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“Our government cares about high living costs and has taken action. We created programs for dental care, school food, and grocery costs. The Conservatives keep voting against them.”
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Mr. Speaker, back in 2010, I campaigned in a by-election. I can recall an instance in a German-Canadian Congress building, located on Mountain and Arlington, where a senior told me they did not even have the ability to purchase food because of the cost of medications. There is absolutely no doubt that the government and the Prime Minister have been issued a mandate and are very much concerned about the issue of affordability. All one needs to do is take a look at what the government’s actions have been, whether it is providing support for dental care, providing food for children in schools or introducing the Canada grocery program. These are programs dealing with affordability, both directly and indirectly, and the Conservative Party continues to vote against them. There is—

Melissa Lantsman, Thornhill

Conservative
“The government's programs have failed. More Canadians use food banks now than before, and the help does not cover the thousands of dollars families pay in interest. The Prime Minister should answer these questions himself instead of having his House leader repeat talking points.”
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Mr. Speaker, the member just listed a grand list of failures. Everything the government has put forward in a program has failed Canadians because there are more Canadians eating food from a food bank than there were before the government started its food program. Everything is getting worse under the government, and all of those programs are a drop in the bucket compared to what those families are paying for interest, which is $6,000 now and will be $8,000 in 2030. They have questions. Is it worth it? The Prime Minister should answer those questions instead of colleagues just hearing talking points from his House leader.

Mario Beaulieu, La Pointe-de-l'Île

Bloc Québécois
“We are spending a lot of money paying interest on the debt. I want to know if my colleague agrees we should send some of that money to the provinces for health care instead.”
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Mr. Speaker, a great deal of money is going toward servicing the debt right now. Does my colleague agree that we should take some of that money and send it to the provinces to increase health transfers?

Melissa Lantsman, Thornhill

Conservative
“The member can ask that question to the Prime Minister when he comes to committee.”
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Mr. Speaker, the member opposite can absolutely ask that question of the Prime Minister when he comes to committee.

John Brassard, Barrie South—Innisfil

Conservative
“The government is presenting its budget on a Thursday afternoon right before a week off. That leaves only one day to question them about it. I think the government is doing this to avoid questions because it will be a bad budget. I want to know what the member thinks about this timing.”
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Mr. Speaker, this motion ultimately comes down to the fundamental principles of accountability, transparency and oversight. I am wondering what the member’s comments would be about the fact that the government is introducing a budget on November 5, a Thursday afternoon. Now, I have been here for 11 years, and I do not think I have ever seen a budget introduced on a Thursday afternoon. It leaves Friday for question period and then members will be, over the next week, in their ridings for the week of Remembrance Day. That really speaks to the issues of accountability, transparency and oversight. It proves that the government does not want any questions on this budget. I would suggest that it is going to be a really bad budget and that is why the government does not want to do it. I wonder what her comments are on that.

Melissa Lantsman, Thornhill

Conservative
“The government introduced the budget right before a break week to avoid questions about it. We need to pass this motion so the Prime Minister comes to committee. He needs to explain why he claimed life is affordable when families are paying $6,000 more a year and cannot afford basic groceries or vacations.”
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Mr. Speaker, if the budget looks like the last budget, then I understand completely why government members would not want to be questioned on it, not on a Friday and not on a Monday. The government introducing a budget on a Thursday before a break week, and then taking that next week, tells us everything we need to know. That is why this motion is so important. It is important to get the Prime Minister at committee to explain his comments, to explain why he told the House that affordability is better than it has ever been and to explain to Canadian families why he is charging them $6,000 a year while they cannot buy raspberries or take a vacation.

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal

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“The Conservatives call our programs failures. But we provide dental care to seniors and food to 400,000 school children. If Conservatives care about costs for families, they should support these programs or get out of the way.”
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Mr. Speaker, the deputy leader of the Conservative Party says that programs, such as the dental care program that provides dental services for seniors who are on fixed income, are a failure. The deputy leader of the Conservative Party says that the food program in our schools, which feeds 400,000 children, is a failure. I think it is time that the Conservative Party wakes up. If Conservatives are concerned about affordability, then they had better start supporting these programs or step aside and let the government do its job.

Melissa Lantsman, Thornhill

Conservative
“The member's answer was a failure, and all the government's programs are failures. Everything is worse now than before they started.”
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Mr. Speaker, the deputy leader of the Conservative Party says that the House leader is a failure. His answer was a failure, and all of those programs that he has introduced in the House are failures, because everything is worse than it was before he started.

Pierre Poilievre, Leader of the Opposition

Conservative
“The government is spending sixty billion dollars this year just on interest on the national debt. That is more than it spends on health care, the military, or child benefits. It costs a family of four six thousand dollars a year, and that will soon rise to eight thousand. The Prime Minister is hiding the true deficit and plans to add hundreds of billions more in debt, which makes life unaffordable. I want the House to call the Prime Minister to a committee to explain this. I want all parties to support our plan to cut government spending and lower the deficit.”
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Mr. Speaker, Canadians deserve more for their money. Hard work should be rewarded here in Canada. Those who get up every morning to go to work and those who are trying to retire after having worked hard their whole lives deserve a good paycheque. However, after 11 years of this Liberal government, the more time passes, the less work is rewarded. A larger share of wages in Canada is being eaten up by inflation. People even have to hand what they earn at work over to the government in the form of very high taxes. However, the government will argue that taxes pay for services. Is that true? Are the services we receive commensurate with the taxes that we pay? The fastest rising-cost under this government is not the cost of services, health care or benefits for children or seniors. It is the cost of the interest payments on our national debt, which will be $60 billion this year. That is more than the government is spending on health transfers, more than it is spending on services, more than the total amount Canadians pay in GST, twice as much as the government is spending on benefits for children and much more than it is spending on our soldiers. What does the interest on the national debt cost a family of four? Five years ago, a family of four had to pay about $2,500 a year in taxes to cover the interest on the national debt. Today, that same family must pay $6,000 in taxes simply to cover the interest on the debt. In four years’ time, that family will be paying $8,000 a year just to service the interest on the debt, not to pay down the debt itself. That makes debt interest the fastest-growing expenditure of all. At the same time, the Prime Minister’s record deficits are driving up the cost of living by fuelling inflation. The debt situation is far worse today than it was a year ago. Canadians were promised a Prime Minister who would be more prudent than Justin Trudeau, but instead he has doubled the deficits. He did so after resorting to creative accounting in the government’s books. According to the Parliamentary Budget Officer, this Prime Minister plans to add another $733 billion to the national debt over the next five years. That means an additional $40,000 in federal debt for every Canadian family and every household, on top of the $1.3 trillion already owed. Canadians are being crushed by the government’s debt. What are the consequences? More people are turning to food banks. An entire generation is being locked out of home ownership. Fuel prices at the pump are among the highest in the western world. Poverty is on the rise. That has to change. Canadians deserve better. The goal of the official opposition is to save them money, save their jobs, keep them safe, repair and reduce immigration, and put Canada first. That is why we are proposing to invite the Prime Minister to appear before the committee so that he can explain to Canadians how a family is going to pay $6,000 a year in interest on the national debt. It is also so that we can put forward our solutions, such as cutting down on red tape, consultants, corporate welfare, foreign aid, money for bogus refugees and more, in order to reduce the deficit and restore fiscal balance. The size of government must be reduced, along with the burden that government imposes on Canadians. We want to return to a country where everyone who works hard can have a big paycheque that stays in their pocket and where the dollar keeps its value. Greater purchasing power will enable our young people to buy a home, our families to buy food and our seniors to have the excellent retirement that they deserve. That is the Conservatives’ goal. For those reasons, we are calling on all parties to work with us to fulfill and restore the promise of Canada here, at home. Hard work should pay off. When someone puts in a long day’s work and bring home a paycheque, the money should stay in their pocket, and the dollars should retain value. The money should buy affordable food, homes and fuel. People should be able to put their kids in sporting activities that improve their health, their discipline and the quality of life they enjoy. They should be able to retire knowing that the money they saved up will buy them the necessities of life and allow them the freedom to enjoy the years they have earned. That means they should get value for money from the government. When people pay taxes, they expect something in return. Are they getting it? Well, what is the fastest-growing expense in the government’s budget? Is it seniors benefits? Is it health care? Is it the child benefit? Is it police? Is it our military? No, it is none of the above. Under the Prime Minister, for the first time in over two decades, the single biggest expense is interest on the national debt. It is an expense that has more than doubled in the last five years. Now, $60 billion of Canadian tax money goes to bankers and bondholders. That is more than we spend on health care transfers, more than we spend on the military and more than we spend on the child benefit. In fact, it is almost twice as much as we spend on the child benefit. Not only has it gotten worse; it threatens to get worse still. It is up from 10¢ to 13.6¢, almost 14¢, of every dollar the government spends that goes straight to bankers and bondholders for interest. This is the highest share of our budget since 2007. Here is what it means for the average family of four. In 2021, interest on the debt cost it $2,500 a year. Right now it is $6,000 a year, and in four years, under the government’s plan, it will be $8,000 a year. To put it in perspective, we are now spending vastly more on debt interest than we collect in GST. That is right: Every time we make a purchase at a retail outlet and we see that GST on the receipt, we should know that 100% of what we paid is not going to health care or our troops but is going to pay interest on the national debt. The situation, though, I have to say, is not as bad as it seems. It is worse, because the Prime Minister has cooked the books. He has decided that if he divides the debt and deficit up onto three separate credit cards, it will not cost as much. He says that some of the spending is operating cost. Some, he arbitrarily says, is investment. Further sums are for Crown corporations. At the end of the day, it is all money the government has to borrow and on which it has to pay future interest, all of which is a burden on the shoulders of taxpayers. To be clear, what the Prime Minister calls investment is fuzzy, undefined, and based on no generally accepted accounting principle. No other government in the world follows his definitions. It is simply what he picks in order to reduce what he calls his operating budget. Well, even with cooking the books, the Prime Minister has not managed to do that either. The Parliamentary Budget Officer reports that operating spending is up 11% in just over a year, rising well over three times faster than the growth in the population and the overall economy, and the Prime Minister intends to add $733 billion to our national debt over the next five years, according to the Parliamentary Budget Officer. This works out to $40,000 in new debt for every single family in this country, and to get what? It is bigger lineups at food banks, a generation of youth who cannot afford a home, higher insolvencies, jobs leaving our country and our brightest people moving south. It the biggest increase of any country in the world of people exiting to go to the United States of America. It is “elbows up, Canadians out”. That is a bad result for all those hundreds of billions of dollars of deficit spending. There is a better way. We could restore the value of hard work by cutting bureaucracy, consultants, foreign aid, handouts to fake and phony refugees, and other wasted money in order to bring down debt, inflation and taxes; to make our money worth something; to ensure that our dollars are spent on health care, military, policing and borders, not on bankers and bondholders; and to restore the promise of this country, where anyone who works hard gets a great life on a safe street in a home they own, with meat and potatoes on the dinner table and a wonderful retirement under our proud flag. Let us make it happen.

Kevin Lamoureux, Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Liberal
“Canada is not broken. It is the best country in the world to live in. Last month, our government hosted an event in Toronto that brought in around half a trillion dollars in potential investment. We are working well with the provinces, and investment in Canada has never been higher. The Conservatives need to admit that.”
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Mr. Speaker, I hate to disappoint the Leader of the Conservative Party, but I can tell him that Canada is indeed not broken. Canada is still the best country in the world to call home. The Leader of the Opposition downplays the importance of investment, but just last month, in September, the Prime Minister and the Canadian government invited the world to come to Toronto. What we saw was half a trillion dollars of potential investment. That is completely unheard of in Canadian history. In collaborative co-operation, working with our provincial entities and major projects, again, we are nearing half a trillion dollars. The federal collaboration is working. Investment is looking into Canada like it has never before. It is time the Conservative Party recognized that Canada is—

Pierre Poilievre, Leader of the Opposition

Conservative
“The government brags about promises it has not kept and investments that have not actually happened. Buzzwords and photo ops will not build the economy. The government needs to get out of the way so Canadians can reach their real potential.”
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Mr. Speaker, the only thing broken is the record on the other side of the aisle. I have never heard any party so capable of bragging triumphantly of promises it has not yet kept. The member got up and did not say that the investment had occurred. He said that it has the potential to one day occur. Someday over the rainbow, if we just follow it, we might get to a pot of gold. We just need another summit, another signing ceremony, another photo op or a bunch of new made-up MBA isms, such as catalyze this and synergy that. We will not build an economy out of buzzwords or unrealized promises. We will build an economy by getting the government out of the way and off the backs of the Canadian people to realize their real potential.

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